Grass look alike

I would keep the scape.

In far back section plant some vallis,front left section some quad grass( @Lloydster what's that name again )and middle front try the glosso.

 

Ok great! Let me research those plants to and get and idea of what it will look like. Damn I seriously need to learn my plants now.

 

@Vis

Echindorus Quadricostatus

 

All of you guys are seriously showing your ignorance as Utricularia graminifolia does not make bladders at all. And for that matter, I keep Utricularia with bladders and I never have a problem with anything tiny in their tanks. I purposely use Utricularia as a fry protection, so where all these rumours come from, I do not know?

I have some Echinodorus quadrosticatus if anyone is interested.

What about Helianthium tenellum, its old name was Echinodorus tellenus, which is a tiny creeping sword plant....and yes, you are going to have to learn your plant names..

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

Seriously?? Did they Change the name for tenellus? That means it is no longer on our current blacklist? Therefore a loophole at the moment?

@Dirk Bellstedt - When was the name changed? I still read people calling it tenellus all over the internet.

 

The name was changed a number of years ago, and the new name is also used on the internet, you and the other people using the old name are just not informed. But there is no loophole about the current blacklist, the old name serves as a synonym and it remains as blacklisted as ever. What is this about in any case, a reason to beat the blacklist? There are good reasons why plants are blacklisted, why this attitude of trying to dodge the blacklist?

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

Not trying to dodge the black list at all. I just thought that it would be easy for people to import it now that the name has been changed. You often find plants and fish imported after their names have been changed, and it is a way around the black list.

I was wondering why you were promoting a plant that was known to be black listed as well, considering the moderators stance on blacklisted species.

 

Hi Sean,

You don't seem to understand. Blacklisted means that plants cannot be imported because they are on that list. However, this does not mean that they cannot be traded if they are in the country. Anubias is currently blacklisted and it is just about in every LFS in the country, so what's the issue. E tenellus is in the country, I am not promoting it, I have added this to the list of plants that are in the country at the moment and are being discussed here. You will not find Utricularia graminifolia on the white list at the moment either for that matter.

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

Hi Prof,

I do understand the blacklist, and the rules around the importation of them. I have personally been warned, by the moderators on this forum, about openly discussing E. tenellus on the forum. This happened a few months back. So why now the sudden shift in policy? I do not understand it. Hairgrass, Anubias, tenellus, etc... All blacklisted, all easily available at an LFS. They are making profit from the so called "illegal" species. How is this not in contravention of the DAFF?

And now, I know many of the people on these forums have shrimp. Is it then legal to trade them because they are in the country, and not imported? Does it fall under the same banner?

I am sorry if these questions come across as rude, they are not intended to be. I just find it extremely contradictory.

PS: I was not aware that UG was not on the white list. I apologize.

 

And que in "Henk stating BL fine and penalty for possession" fade to black que out... J/K

However this could cause some confusion for the apprentices considering that Henk does have a point with regards to the hefty penalty for possession and/or distribution of BL species. As an authorized importer I will not keep them or trade them because DEAT will make bacon of my hide but personally feel that if they are "RESPONSIBLY" shared it should be ok. This doesn't mean that I condone trading by LFS/LPS.

 

Hi Sean,

At the moment the state of affairs is such that new lists are being drawn up, and there will be changes, that is all I can say because I am involved in the process, I am not in a position to give you more details.

However, if a plant is blacklisted its importation is banned, but by implication it does not mean that if it is in the country that it cannot be grown. It is something that I have only learnt about a year ago. This is why you are seeing hairgrass, Anubias and other plants such as Elodea, which I think is a serious threat in LFS. Unless a plant is identified by DAFF as potentially dangerous authorities wont be sent out to confiscate it or prosecute the person selling it.

On the shrimp side we have thrashed this issue to death please. On the new lists that were published in the Government Gazette in 2009, only specific shrimps are listed as banned in the new legislation. However this legislation has not been passed because of, amongst other things, big parties held in Bloemfontein over the weekend, and this is why they are not in place. However this proposed legislation is common knowledge and for this reason no one is being prosecuted.

All of this is not very clear and I am not making any excuses as I am not the legislator, but you need to keep your ears to the ground to know what is going on, and I do not think that the mods of this forum actually are completely up to date with what is happening, again not meant disrespectfully, but this whole lot remains a moving target as so many things in the country apparently do.

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

hey prof. is there a new BL? because i didnt see ug being classified as a BL Plant in the one i have? if there is a new one could you please send it to me?

 

ok only saw your post now.. when is the new black list coming out?

 

Hi Guys,

I do not know when the new blacklist will come out, the old one is currently the valid one.

I said that I am not the legislator, and I have nothing to do with administrative matters about it, when it gets released or anything like that, it has nothing to do with me, so folks, don't even ask me about this.

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

@Dirk Bellstedt

whats your take on this then?
http://www.tropica.com/advising/plant-articles/utricularia-graminifolia.aspx

this is what gave me the impression it made bladders.

 

Same from me... was allways under the impression that Utricularia is of the Bladderwort family... Given,what I refered to as UG earlier was a Bladderwort that I found growing in my pond years back and then took indoors for cultivation in my aquariums...

 

What about dwarf vallis? Just to get back OT

 

@azurekoi and @Lloydster, thats exactly what my UG looks like. it has bladders too.. ive never seen them eat anything though.. but from what ive researched, it is a carnivorous plant.. people even use fish food and feed it to the ug..

 

Utricularia graminifolia is certainly a bladderwort and it does belong to that family, the Lentibulariaceae.

I have see Utricularia graminifolia in Europe on one of my visits and although I do not doubt the pictures that you show are correct, the plantlets did not have bladders, but it definitely was U graminifolia. So I do not know if there are strains that make bladders and others that do not, or whether if it is grown under certain circumstances that it makes bladders and under conditions it does not.

Richard, I just see that you say yours does have bladders.

However, this business that it is a carnivorous plant is over-emphasized in my opinion. As I mentioned, I have no problems with even the tinest of fish fry with my Utricularia and I would not view this to be a problem.

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

guess you right dirk i still have those small critters (cyto pods or something) swimming in the UG and they dont get caught..