Zoom's Angel breeding set up

Well the update is I have eggs again. Laid on Friday afternoon I suspect. Did a minor water change this afternoon.

I'm not too phased about them being eaten.

Parents actually seem to be getting better as well... out of about 200+ eggs, there are only 6 or 7 white eggs, so they are either getting the spawning process right, or they are cleaning them more thoroughly.

Not going to invest in any more tanks at this stage. Our flat is getting a bit small now, and electricity increases are going to hurt the pocket with more tanks running.

I had a guppy give birth in a breeding net in the community tank last week. About 30 fry swimming around in the net... No fatalities yet. Have NO clue what to do with 30 guppies when they grow up. I'm not even a huge fan of them! Heehee. Oh well. I'll let them grow up and then release them into the tank. I think thereafter the survival of the fittest will be the next philosophy to follow. (Althou with 5 female betta's who are constantly "hunting" the fry through the net, I doubt I'll have any survival of any fittest!)

 

Hmmm, if you are not a big fan of guppies then why do you have them...you could give them to one of the guys on TASA to feed their big fish, like oscars and the likes...its still survival of the fittest, lol...

 

Heehee... I've never had a guppy survive longer than 2 months with me. (besides the very first one that survived almost a year). About 2 months ago I bought 8 to give it another try. It's kinda cool having fry survive... like a success story.

I've got one female and one male left over from the original 8... and now my wife will KILL me if I give them away as live food!

 

Keep them as food for the angels?? That way you not giving them away :blink1:

I have swords, platties and guppies in my comunity tank and when they have fry it's food for the discus, andgels and gourami's :blink1:

 

This morning I witnessed a pretty amazing event in my breeding tank. The parents for the past few days have been looking after the wrigglers, chasing me away from the tank, and fetching lonely wrigglers that fall off the leaf, or become free swimming too early.

This morning I turned lights on, and everything looks normal... Wrigglers all moving rapidly on the leaf, parents protecting... we notice one wriggler become free swimming, parents fetch it, put it back. Another free swimming... another, and then another... and within 5 minutes of us turning the lights on, we watched every single wriggler become free swimming.

Needless to say the parents are going bonkers trying to put them all back on the leaf!

Was pretty amazing to watch. I'm assuming the light being turned on must have stimulated them.

Chat lada
Z

 

Sounds like a really cool thing to witness

 

Time to start feeding them with brine shrimps!

 

+1. Congrats Zoom - it is stunning to witness

 

Um... are the free swimmers all suppose to go back to the leaf at night when the lights go out... they all seem to be back at the wriggler stage....?

 

Wow what a sight, must have been so cool to witness that. How many do you think there are, and what are your plans to stop the parents eating them when they spawn again.

Sorry for all the questunes but i'm learning so much and seeing as my angels are at it again........i need to learn as much as possible.

 

Well, this might sound a bit cruel... but IF they spawn again whilst raising their current fry, I will remove the eggs.

When the fry are about the size of a 20c piece, I will move the parents to another tank. (Probably back to the community tank). Not sure how big the angel fry need to be before I can give them away... any idea?? VEE???

 

No i don't think it's cruel, thats what i would do 'cos leaving them to eat the babies is cruel.

I think that i read somewhere that angels are ready to go when they are about three months old. Hope that helps.

 

R1 coin - baby angels (body size-Without fins!)
R2 coin - small angels
R5 coin - small/med angels
Once the angels eat flakes and granules well, it is time to move them out to friends/shops.
I leave the fry with the pair to about the size of a R1 coin, and then move them to a grow-out tank. This also give the pair a rest, and can be fed well to condition them.
The babies also learn to feed on new food from the adults.
Hope this helps
Gert.

 

Gert has it covered Zoom Thanks Gert!

 

forgive me if I am wrong, I thought the fry feeds off a mucus secreted by the parents, this would be on their scales. Has anyone successfully hatced eggs, raised fry with out the parents around? They eat the fry also when they cant handle the number of fry or they are still too young.

 

Angels don't feed like this. You are correct in thinking so. I beleive the discus feed like this. The parents with time will learn to protect there young, and I beleive that through their failures they will eventually get it right. I don't really want to take the parents out the tank, as I don't see the need.

If they eat them, then they eat them... if they don't, I'll have free angels for TASA.

 

Yes, it has been reported that some angel fry do feed of the parents like discus.
This is reported on some international angel forums and is not common.
I have read that apparently some Leopoldi angels have this behaviour.
This trait is found predominantly with discus, but other cichlids show this tendancy to a much lesser degree.
Maybe Prof Dirk could enlighten us more?
Gert.

 

cool, thank you I always thought it to be std

 

send us a pic of the little ones :blink1: when you have time

 

Will do ace.