Rule amendment

Pleasure Daan. Just be aware that keeping any native/indigiounous animal needs a permit for collections, transport and keeping. You also need to check if the more stranger fish you want to collect/keep aren't on any endangered lists.

 

heads up, for this some people give you - Rep, just a pity that he does not have the B... to do it openly!

 

I vote there should be a section! Where is the harm in learning about these species as long as you don't go out and buy them....
Something I have noticed is some threads that get closed due to the mention of BL species although the topic of the thread was never about these species and by then closing the threads some very useful info was lots simply because someone mentioned shrimp or something like that. So my thought was that if there is a BL section these threads could be moved there and the valuable info that comes with them is not lost.
With a BL section some amateurs can also learn how easy it is to get these species and they might get some very useful advice on how to avoid accidentally buying some of these species.

 

So make specific rules for that specific sections, like that "accidental" purchase and looking after accidentally purchased BL species may not be assisted.
In my opinion you can't generalize like that because although there are plenty of ignorant people out there that do not research what they buy there are also plenty who do do their research, just the fact of this forum existing is proof of that.
As to what is suppose to happen to BL species in this country I do not know but I think the start of a specific section could lead to some people actually confronting the pet shops they acquired these species and tell them that they are in fact BL. I know it is a long shot but there may just be one person out there who will do something.
But thats just my opinion.

 

lets rather talk fish on the forum and end this here its really getting " afgesaag" leave the rules as we all excepted it in the first place

 

I've kept mostly shut on this topic.
Although I voted for a BL section I do not deem it necessary to be created for me in order to keep on being a member here.
I joined TASA first and foremost because it is a South-African Forum,to meet other fishkeepers that stays in the same Country,Province and Town as I do and to gain more knowledge.
A Lot were said about "Oldies" leaving because of BL threads being closed,but it is surely not true.
I for instance had words with people like @Henk Hugo but soon came to realise how stupid such arguments is.:amazed:
Should I want to know about how to Keep and Breed anything on a BL I only have to use Google.:idea:
We did not have any mods in the beginning except @Rory who occationally let "The EYE" roam the posts,and it was not a problem.
What is a problem is that People DO NOT READ THE RULES that they agreed to abide by when they joined TASA.
Surely you will not go to your Church,School or Work and say "All of us voted that we want to Discuss smoking POT during the Sermon/Class/Work,and we want to do it"
You will surely be Banned from that "Organisation".
I've already seen "New" members insisting that they WANT this.
Let me tell you that we are NOT THE OWNER OF THIS SITE nor do any of us have any shares in it.
The MODS are not the OWNERS as well,and are doing their work free of charge.
So short and sweet,if you keep on INSISTING that you do want this otherwise you are going to leave,well Good Bye then.

If you feel offended by this post do not bother to reply here,just phone me,my number shows on my Signature.

 

Ditto

 

I totally agree with you, just gave my vote because people were asking for it

 

These type of threads always land up like this...
1 member having a fit
1 member PM mod's
1 member leaving
and another 50 other members all trying to debate whether the rules of the forum can be changed to suit them.

I think the biggest issue we having (and this is up for the mod's to decide and announce) is the correct interpretation of the the BL ruling. Then after the announcement is made, I don't care what act, biodiversity ruling blah blah humbug you want to quote, you will all digitally sign (via re-accepting the rules) that TASA cannot and will not be held liable for your BL stupidity.

99.9% of the members here don't even know where to FIND the rules, let alone acknowledge that they even signed to agree to it in the first place!

 

This is a very valid point. It won't cause problems with members and the site. I think this is a better idea.

 

I think everyone should just agree to disagree and leave it at that

 

Which, regarding the BL, state "Any species on the South African black list are not allowed to be discussed in the context of keeping them in aquaria."

I am happy to accept that. There seems to be a perception that ANY discussion is against the rules and must be punished. Perhaps the people that report BL posts haven't read the second half of the rule and need to be more discerning.

 

Always ends the same

I feel like a child in the middle of devorce. Mom and Dad arguing what's best for
me and I sit in the middle.

How about you decide what's good for you, vote for it and leave it at that?
Why argue your point or idea with someone else?

If you want to talk BL do it and if you don't, ignore it duh...

 

Another point to consider is how do we know what Species is Black Listed? I've been to 4 LFS's and they all stock snails for sale... First time today after reading this they are on the BL??? If i had to have a BL species of some sort how would I dispose of them? Is it fair toward the creature/pet?

 

Honestly? Some of us thrive on knowledge...yes, some may be pointless but it is not a crime to have a good general knowledge.

 

I am sorry to say that you have already accepted that. The fact that you can post on TASA means that you have accepted all the rules and regulations of the forum.

Let me ask you this... what information would you like to know that does not fall under "in the context of keeping them in aquaria"? (Hence all threads being closed!)

 

I agree with Gerhard on this, let the poll decide and then the MODS needs to adjust to the poll results