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I dont think anything should be read in last nights result. Being second in the group is also not the end of the world.
We could end up drawing Malaga or some other surprise groyp winner.
Glad to see Rosicky back, and how well he played! Superb, by far the best on the pitch whilst he was there. I wish he was still 25 and not injury prone.

As for the rest, well yeh, its annoying being a Gunner for sure, but lets keep faith in the teamand Wenger, I still believe we have a good enough squad to be top three. Its a matter of putting a string of results together.

 

@Reedfish

Good point you make about getting on a winning streak. Doubt we can manage it though.

Gosh you paint a dim picture for the future. I really hope, and somewhat believe we will still turn it around and surprise everyone.
Still believe on paper we have what it takes, its a matter of finding that one little ingredient thats missing.
Could be Wenger leaving thats needed, but thats not gonna happen easily, he as stubborn as they come.

In part I think Wenger has not noticed that everyone around him has gotten stronger. Gone are the days of going to a bottom ten club and counting on the points. The premier league has always been tough, but I think its even tougher now. Citys result against Everton proves its not a fluke that they are where they are. We should still be beating these teams but it aint easy on a small budget, and it aint easy with players looking for the exit out of the club.
December is gonna be vital for us - itll be a decider of Wengers fate im sure of it. Come end of december with max points for the month and we'll be sitting pretty, anything less and its bye bye Arsene Im afraid

 

top of group im happy with how my team is doing so far

 

:bigsmile: A win is a win. Lets hope they gained some confidence. Still a looooong way to go. Newc

 

Correct,but as i said.

 

Guys, the way I see it at this stage is - Fourt spot is what we should hope/aim for - at best, unfortunately.
Comparing us to the other teams around us, Everton, Spurs, West Brom etc, all competing for that fourth spot - we are at this stage not favourites to clinch it.
However, that said - its a long season ahead of us - and all those teams have played really well, sort of above expectation, wheras we have played well below par.
I dont see Everton or Spurs (our only realistic competition for fourth) getting any better, they will, on the contrary hit a rough patch as all teams do.
Arsenal though. . . Well we cant get any worse now can we? Even small weekly improvements will get us there, as long as we can get better, which at this stage might seem unlikely, but its all there to do, I still have faith we will come good. December could be good for us.
Is it just me or is the general level of the Premier league disappointing this season? Teams drop points, and even Manure have looked fragile at times - 4-3 against reading is not great for their defence.
Its easy to see "doom and gloom", but I'll be surprised if we dont suddenly start clicking and put in some great performances. Lets keep faith, as hard as it is!

 

Hi @Reedfish

Im still reluctant to get rid of Wenger. I do see your point though, and I do agree that something has to be done, but with limited inside knowledge, Im a tad reluctant to commit to his sacking.

I get the feeling that there is someone (maybe more than one) in the team that might need to go though. I think we have too many non-starters that can have a bad influence on the team. Squillaci, Arshavin, Chamakh, Djourou, and then also the Walcott issue. Id not be surprised if Walcott goes and the team suddenly start playing better. Was the same with Henry, and even Fabregas. I might be talking horse rubbish, but we have seen it happen, one bad apple and they all rott.

 

Lets just keep quiet

 

@Reedfish,

To be honest - I dont know what to say/think of our beloved Arsenal anymore. Fact is we are pretty damn useless!

Ill tell you why Im reluctant to put the blame squarely on Wenger - lack of information.
Two things are possible here
a) Wenger has done wonders to keep us where we have been with what he has been given, and should another manager come in who cant do the same, we might end up going from bad to worse.
b) Wenger has been given what is needed and has caused this downfall all by himself, and therefore should be kicked out the door asap.

Reports are not giving us enough to get a clear indication on this.

I expect Walcott to be gone by end January, and he will be replaced by an even more useless replacement.

What I would agree to is that some players come into the first team and look excellent prospects, only for them to be woeful two years later under Wenger. Ox has been pretty useless, so too Ramsey, and Gervino is as bad as Chamakh. Yet these players all had much promise which just never developed. Is it the players fault or has Wenger lost the ability to develop players in line with their promise. This continuous playing out of position might very well be the issue here.

I dont know anymore