Designerguppy Challenge 2

I'm considering a second entry after my blond male find. He's absolutely gorgeous and now I'm going to have to search to find the perfect female or two for him. Then I'm going to need some more tanks lol.

 

I have the same idee in my head with some of my rejects. But with a move in the next month it might just be very tricky. All depends on the space at the new place

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@lennard I think you should go with the colored females and their sons. You can outcross later to get bigger tails if needed.
Those orange and yellow spotted mails are very nice

Those snakeskin crosses are something new, maybe wait for them to mature a little more?

 

You are probably right - they are genetic atom bombs!

 

I found this on another forum read through it but it's to complex for me to really understand all of it. Maybe some of you will get some out of it.
genes/colors and their location:
Body colors (all autosomal) are:
- grey - dominant over all over body colors
- gold/tiger/bronze - recessive
- blond/gold - recessive
- albino/rrea – recessive, there are two different genes which cause the albino phenotype and which can’t be differentiated
- lutino/wrea – recessive
- there are three types of blau: one blau –gene shows no red and no yellow
another blau gene could show reduced red but no yellow
and the other blau gene (this one is called “hellblau”, this is a German word which means light blue) could show yellow e.g. snake skin
- pink is something special because of its peculiarities, it has a reduced number of the big black colour cells (melanophores) and it looks like tiger in its pure manifestation (without the hb). In the combination with the Nigrocaudatus 2 gene (it’s the gene for half black/tuxedo) the back becomes pink, that was the reason for the name “pink”, because the first guppies with this body colour where pink half blacks. It is suspected that they have also an increased number of iridophores. - cream - double recessive, gold + tiger
- white - double recessive, blau + gold
- silver - double recessive, blau + tiger
- “super white” – triple recessive, blau + gold + albino
- you can breed more combinations but only for these double and triple recessive body colours exists a specific name

Some (not all!) colors:
1. colors for the fore-body (the belly, until the beginning of dorsal in their original appearance):
- coral is a metallic red which is in most cases y-linked but there should be one x-linked strain in Germany too. In Germany we call it “neon” . In the combination with one of the blau genes it becomes light blue.
- moscow is a y-linked gene in most cases but there are some x-linked strains too. It is a metallic silver until dark blue colour. The intensity depends of the mood of the male. You can find this gene in metal heads (y-linked moscow + y-linked snake skin) or moscow blues (y-linked moscow + y-linked blue + x-linked blue) or in moscow greens and moscow purples
- Schimmelpfennig Metall (this is the original German name) or platinum is a metallic white/yellow/bright purple/bright blue. It is y-linked in most cases but there are some x-linked strains e.g. in Japan too.
- lazuli is a light blue which is y-linked (I don’t know it for sure, because only the Japanese breed it and in Europe there are no lines of this strain, so I had to use a online-translation which could be wrong)

2. colors for the lower-back:
- half black (it is the Nigrocaudatus 2 gene) is a x-linked gene in most cases but there are some y-linked strains too. It is a more or less black colour. It could become dark blue too after some selective breeding ( you have to increase the number of iridophores which lay above the melanophores) . In combination with the platinum it seems to be greenish.
- japan blue/aquamarine is a light blue which is a y-linked gene in most cases but there are some x-linked strains too.
- Störzbach (Stoerzbach) metal is a recessive and autosomal metallic blue, but in combination with other colour-genes it makes them a metallic colour e.g. Mikarif (Stoerzbach metal + snake skin)

There a lot of colours which consists of several different genes for example full reds. There are 6 (perhaps more) different genes for red and they can be y-linked, x-linked and autosomal, some are dominant and others are recessive, so it’s very difficult to talk about reds and full reds. Some colours are shown on the whole body e.g. snake skin. And some colors are shown on the body and the fins e.g. blues (in blue delta IFGA strains), parrish and hutter greens, snake skins, reds, purples, 3/4 blacks etc.

The problem is that some body-colours or normal colours also effect the form of the caudal e.g. you cannot create a half black double sword. There are some genes which are not really a colour like red, but the effect the caudal form too. The x-linked gene "cp" is such a gene. It causes a dark pigmentation of the caudal and together with the “double sword-gene” it causes a delta tail. The delta tail always consists of two or more genes. There has to be the “double sword-gene” (which can be y- or x-linked) and a colour gene for the caudal. Sometimes the male has both necessary genes or the female has both genes or each sex has only one of these genes, but in all these case you got a delta tail.

 

Very well said.

 

According to that most color is y-linked (male)

 

@lennard can you please maybe explain some general snakeskin genetics so I can get a bigger picture of what I'm looking at

 

According to that I have no idea what his actually saying

 

@Ladysphinx some basic biology is in order then

Humans and fish carry male and female genes. It is men that carry the gene that determine the sex of a baby.

Woman have XX genes and men have XY genes.
So if the x from the man combines with the x from the woman you get xx again so the baby will be female.
If the y and x gene combine you get XY and the baby will be male.

Now in guppies some color genes will link to the X or the Y meaning that only men can have the genes that links to the Y gene because they are XY.

Hope you follow.

 

Thanks for explaining a bit I get what you said.

 

I can only share what I have experienced with my own breeding.

https://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/threads/guppy-challenge-entry-1-snakeskin.25288/

My first snakeskin female was bred from my red half black females and probably a Micarif male. As far as I know the snakeskin gene is carried by this yellow Micarif guppy, but the first snakeskin female only came with the second generation red half blacks bred to red half blacks. She gave me one snakeskin son and from that all my snakeskins saw the light. The female bred with her son gave me almost 100% snakeskins - grey bodied, blond bodied and gold bodied. All of these variations breed relatively true. Breeding the grey bodied females with Gerhards blue male gave me almost 100% snakeskins but ranging from yellow, green, blue and orange. I would predict that breeding a snakeskin male and female together you will probably get 100% snakeskin.

 

Yeah we need some pics of those colored snakeskin guppies otherwise we dont know what you are talking about

 

Went out to look at them again before posting - some of them are truly beautiful. In general their triangular/delta tails will be better than my snakeskin males - they tend to show spade form tails. I am still tempted to take my best snakeskin female and breed it with your blue male again.

 

@lennard

Will the genes of snakeskin be carried by the male or female or both. I have a yellow snakeskin and blue female is it possible to get blue snakeskins from these or do I need a blue male in the mix to get the blue snakeskins.

 

You will probably get blue snakeskins and a few other colors too - either way. From there select the best blue snakeskin male and you will get some sisters looking like the mother - breed them to the selected male. It still is 50/50 - you do not know the full history of the male and female you have - but that is the fun of it! Do grow out the males you get- most show their true colors/shape/fins when they are older.

 

Yeah, I have a few very interesting guppies from my very first batch I don't know the daddy as they were lfs spawned but they definitely have some interesting colors will post some images as soon as I get back to work on Monday. They remind me of endlers

 

Thats my male that I am entering into the competition will fill in entry form for comp soon just been so busy but got him breeding already wanting red and blue colours to come thru the female has blue tail with black edging

 

Feel like entering but also not as im working full time and only get around 4 days a month off...

Have the space, just dont know about time...

Will see, maybe in the new years... might be a month late, but shouldn't be a problem....


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Feel like entering but also not as im working full time and only get around 4 days a month off...

Have the space, just dont know about time...

Will see, maybe in the new years... might be a month late, but shouldn't be a problem....


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