"Caution" NOT FOUND ON THE LABEL

Hi Lauré,

Potassium permanganate is one of the older medications which I do not think will work any more. It will also give your plants a huge knock. You must remember that most fish are imported from Malaysia and Singapore where they are infected with anchorworm because they are kept in ponds, and in these countries medications are used freely leading to resistance to most common medications.

What is actually a huge problem is that the parasites that come in with the fishes from the East are all resistant to common medications yet these are the medications that are used in particularly the cheaper brands of medications that are sold here. This is then also the reason why I would recommend the use of the brands as I have indicated as these manufacturers keep up to date with the disease resistance developments as well.

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

What about JBL Professor? I have contacted them out in Germany to see about bringing in their products, I am just awaiting response.

Do you have any experience with them?

http://www.jbl.de/?lang=en

 

Hi Slagter,

I have seen JBL's ads in my German Aquarium magazine and I have no reason to think that their products do not work. Germany is a very tough environment in which to produce aquarium products, if you make one wrong step and the public finds out about that, that is the end of you, so they seem to be doing the right thing.

I do however have no first hand experience of their products.

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

So sorry to hear. Thanks for the warning tho

 

Hi Dirk,

The innitial medication I used was the one I discussed with you... It was NOT Bio-Elite. I was also concerned initially as it carried a warning about killing off my filter. The Medication was called Interpet No 12 Anti Crustacean Parasite. It was my concern over the filter being harmed that resulted in me seeking your advice and suggestions. I unfortunately could not get hold of any of the stuff you mentioned, and after speaking to a few other LPS, they all highly recommended the INTERPET stuff. I realised that this would be followed by daily 25% water changes to prevent the ammonia and nitrite spikes, which I was prepared to do.

The second medication I added was the Tetra anti Fungus medication.

It was within 20minutes that I was loosing fish. So i could only assume that the introduction of the Tetra mixed with the INPERPET is what caused the problems.

Thereafter I did a 90% water change, and put carbon into the filter to take out the remaining medication. I have reintroduced bacteria to my filter through the aid of Cycle, and I am basically attempting to get my tank back to where it was BEFORE I started with any meds.

In the interim, I contacted Waterlife in the UK as I believe their product is very good. They lead me to the right person in SA, who in turn has managed to supply me with a product called Waterlife Perazin, which is, according to Waterlife, specifically made for Anchor Worm, and should destroy all stages of the life cycle of the worm in a single dosage.

On Friday evening I plan on doing a further 50% water change. By that stage I am hoping that the water will no longer have any more meds in, and I will then be able to put the Waterlife Perazin in. It would appear that most traces of the Anchor worm are in fact gone, except that the Ram has got new worms on him.

Bio-Elite (not sure if they are in CT or not) is a very cheap alternative to buying from Sera/Tetra etc. In the past I have used their anti fungal, heal all, dechlor, and anti stress very effectivelly. It claims to be a lot more environmentally friends product. You can see their products here: http://www.bio-elite.co.za/product_catalog.htm. I have not used ANY of the Bio-elite stuff recently for the treatment of the anti fungal or Anchor worms!

I hope that helps Professor? I am trying to find a website that can give us an indication of what is in the Interpet stuff tha is so lethal, but I cannot find anything... except prices. I will check if I still have the booklet at home that came with the bottle, but I know I through the stuff out. Was not going to risk using it again!

 

Is there not a law that states that nothing can be sold to the public if its content is not specified on the label?

Have also been using the bio-elite anti chlorine with no problem. All there bottles state clearly that does not effect the nutrifying bacteria.

@ Prof, Is flubendazole only used for aquariums or would I have to look somewhere else. Could not find any in the lfs among the aqua medicine

Looking for internal parasite meds.

 

Guys.... there has been a mix up here...

BIO-ELITE IS SAFE. It was NOT used in this mixture of meds!

It was a mixture of INTERPET & TETRA meds that caused the mix up.

Professor...
I cannot find any "ingredients" on the Interpet stuff, but there is a big warning on the label stating it contains Sodium Chlorite! Would this in conjunction with the Tetra have caused the poisonous effect?

 

Hi Zoom and Vis,

I do not have enough time now to answer all your questions, but I want to check on one thing. Zoom, you say the label says Sodium chlorite. Chemically this is not correct, it can only be Sodium chloride, which is salt, or Sodium hypochloride which is the active ingredient in jik. If this is in this medication then there is no way that any fish can survive this treatment.

Please clarify.

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

Hi Professor,

Just to try sound "clever" if my science is correct, sodium chloride (salt) is a sodium molecule + 2 Chlorine molecules, and sodium chlorite is the same but 3 chlorine molecules. (Just trying to act big here... so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

The box clearly says Chlorite... see pics of box + warning label

And as I posted that thread I saw the fine print... "Do not use with other products"

(Baaah HUMBUG)

 

Just did a Wiki on Sodium chlorite and got the shock of my life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chlorite . How anyone could consider using this on fish beats me stone dead. This stuff is highly oxidative and definitely not suitable for use on fishes, I do not care what Interpet say. Again, I would say that this stuff killed your fishes, definitely not the Tetra stuff...

I am actually shocked that someone could actually consider using this stuff on fish.

And Zoom, your chemistry was a bit disastrous, but let us forget about that....

Kind regards,

Dirk

 

Dont worry Zoom I had to do chemistry 101 twice to eventually "get it"

Incidently I cannot believe that they used Na+ in a treatment for fish... Although saying that I know that some people have used it for treatment of human ailments!!

Anyway shame Zoom I think you should give Interpet a call....

 

Thanks Professor,

I did say my science was a bit rusty, and I was taking a stab in the dark. KiazerG, I can't phone Interpet, they are in the UK firstly, and secondly I MIXED medications.

I believe that the professor is right in that the Sodium Chlorite killed the fish, BUT would it have been the introduction of the other meds that activated it into the dangerout stage? The meds was in the water with no side effects on the fish for 5 days. 20minutes after putting in the other meds the fish started dying.... and all together.

It's going down to school fees.... and to be honest, I've come to terms with it. I have now got a much emptier tank... and am now in a position to start looking at the more "prettier" fish rather than the usual boring stuff.

Already go 2 pairs of Apisto. Sunbursts waiting!

 

Hi Zoom,

I think we can only speculate about how the two medications reacted with each other resulting in the death of the fishes, so this is not going to help. Also, this is not going to get your fishes back.

So, your attitude is correct, you have learnt from this in a very hard way and can now start afresh, which is a good prospect.

Sterkte and kind regards,

Dirk