Cabomba

Eish, sorry I'm getting confused with the categories. 1a must be destroyed, 3 can be kept:

 

Sorry been very busy today so couldnt reply. Prof Dirk was also very involved in the research of making the new blacklistm so its not people that dont know what they are doing who updates these lists....

 

ok, the last one for 2014 was 37886

There was an ammendment to it in May 2015, number 38833 but doesnt look like a lot was amended, havent checked the amendments in detail

 

I cannot get the latest Gazette. It requires membership and fees I cannot afford

 

Linxie, where did you get that of actions to take 1a, 1b etc?

 

Nevermind, I found that list on sanbi.org. So now my question is, why do SANBI and the gazette not "speak the same language"?

 

Cabomba is allowed to be kept according to gazette, but not SANBI, who is the authority here?

 

I'm a little confused myself. I'd go with the gazette since it is an official government document.

 

ryno the problem being discussed at the moment is what i meant, you have people black listing everything for the fear they might be wrong, and then someone else makes another list( who do we use?) for instance why on Gods green earth is trimaculatum blacklisted and flowerhorn not? some of the "flowerhorn" ive seen is so close to trimacs its not even a joke.

 

Well I really honestly cant answer you. But it doesnt help to rant about it. We live in a country that has a sub tropical climate. So we can be happy there is such a big amount of fish and plants that can be imported.

 

Everyone is dwelling from the point. According to the law on blacklisted plants and fish that I regularly work with for imports is the same in most cases. Not all but most. Yes it is Black listed but then there follows a grey area in the documentation. That states: If you are already in position of such specimen and unknowingly came to have it. You may keep, breed and trade with other aquatic hobbyist. It may not be imported, exported or distributed such as shops or advertising and selling. So bottom line is its your responsibility if you dont feel comfortable, destroy it. Or keep it in controlled environment. As for the LPF that sold it to you, they are breaking the law as many other shops aswell but even if you report it nothing will come of it. At best it will be confiscated. As they will probably decline knowing what it was. Unless documentation exists from a wholesaler or direct import stating the plant under its correct name.

 

I've never experienced laws to be as ambivalent as that, I can't imagine it will allow you, as an individual, to breed and trade, and prohibit a LFS from trading? However these days drafting of regs often leaves a lot to be desired...

 

Hi Fishwhisperer. Thanks for your input. I have come to the conclusion that this blacklisting is too controversial, and is actually making my hobby drab, and unenjoyable. Feelings of being a criminal is not why I decided to start fishkeeping. It goes against my morals and beliefs to entertain the black market. Even though there are gray areas, its not worth spending the time, the money and energy to build up an aquarium, which will be ridiculed about a "gray area" plant. Just not worth it, I can just imagine, posting images of a well established setup, that costed so much, and people focusing on the fact that a plant may be illegal. Not worth it, so I have decided that I will be having a Cabomba Salad on national braai day. Have a great days folks, thanks for the awesome feedback.

 

Pity I'm not closed to Parow... Would have taken home a doggy bag of your salad and happily grown it in my tanks.

 

I also want some of that plant

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Apparently Cabomba is illegal. Pm received...

" Cabomba

Hi Guys,

As the last couple of folks that have posted on this thread, I want to inform you about the status of Cabomba because of the discussion on TASA in which it is interpreted that there is grey area regarding this group of plants.

ALL Cabomba species are officially declared invasive plants, there are no exceptions, and they are declared weeds. You are not allowed to have them in your possession, according to the Government Gazette No 36683 National Biodiversity Management: Biodiversity Act (NEMBA), 2004 published on 19 July 2013. You can download this from the government website and it can be downloaded free of charge.

The plant list for permitting purposes issued by the Departement of Agriculture Forestry and Fisheries which I have assisted in drawing up also indicates ALL Cabomba species as not permitted which is in line with the National Biodiversity Management: Biodiversity Act.

Because of the fact that the whole genus, it is shown as Cabomba ssp which means all species without exception, is listed in the National Biodiversity Management: Biodiversity Act list as not permitted, if you have this plant in your possession you are transgressing the law and can be prosecuted.

There is therefore no grey area about this whatsoever, there are no conflicts between the regulations, and you are not permitted to keep it in your tanks even if you do not pass it on to anyone or sell it. The local petshop selling these plants is also liable for prosecution.

If you want to post this on the thread you can do so to clarify this issue.

Kind regards,

Dirk"​

 

Nice to see Dirk still keeps an eye on TASA and drops some wisdom every so often if the topic is close to his heart.

Later Ferdie

 

If the topic is so close to his heart, why doesn't he just post the information into the thread himself?

 

Well now that is a loaded gun type of question, I assumed that it had something to do with why loads of the people went to other forums also - think I was on a break when all of this went down a few years ago or just did not care, needles to say many of the individuals involved are not even in the hobby anymore AFAIK, but then again that is another thread and probably not one that is worth harping on about.

Just be glad we still have some of the wisdom locked in some older threads the keep knocking around.

Later Ferdie