WHY with the parrot fishies????

if you have ever researched on a parrot fish you would know it gentically has no origins it manmade thats why it looks unsymetrical and has many problems .and that colour you see is painfully injected into the fish so i would like to know why would you buy this ''fish''

 

I have to agree that I do not find them attractive in the slightest, apart from whatever is done to them. I am at pains to explain to people why I don't keep them as I have a few family members who for some reason really like them and ask if I'm going to get them. Whenever I see dyed fish I make sure those around me know how it is done.

And don't get me started on fancy goldfish beyond longfinned comets...

 

I have a blood-red parrot fish. Blood-red parrots are the colour they are "born" naturally.
Any other colour are the dyed ones. After all they are living animals and they're friendly...

that's my story.... sharp

 

Yes it may be man made but come on guys every one has there own tastes and some people like the blood parrot. Instead of getting upset, educate people about the way the blood parrot has been man made.

 

Ok so the blood parrot was Man made by adding 2 Fish together right?
So then please tell me how many of you own Pedagogy dogs? like "worshond" Husky and so on? If you you go and look and some dogs back grounds they were also cross bred to make the "new" dog.
SO why can't people buy the blood parrot, I also hate the way they inject the fish and I let everybody know how it is done when I see the fish in the LFS.
this is just my opinion.

 

The thing that annoys so many people about parrots is that thry have an unknown origin - Gareth, you might compare them to crossbreeding in dogs, but do remember that all the dog strains belong to the same species, Canis lupus, while the parrot is a hybrid of two or more different species of Central (and maybe even South American) cichlids. This means it can be difficult to judge potential adult size, aggressiveness etc. Because of the multiple hybridizations, it often means that these guys are infertile.

Overall, they make horrible pets. They get to a questionable size (you can assume over 20cm), are very aggro (think along the lines of an oversized convict cichlid in breeding mode, but all the time), and even if they breed, the eggs will probably never be fertile - owning these fish is one of the most pointless exercises that I've seen.

What's worse, you can actually pay a decent price for them as well...

 

I also dont see a problem with parrots in general, the problem is when they get dyed and the tails gets snipped.

 

Personally I don't like blood parrots at all. They just look wrong to me!
But, that is entirely personal opinion! After all, hybridisation of domestic animals and pets is pretty widespread in our society. If you don't like blood parrots then you shouldnt like bulldogs either. They're also a useless end point of hybridisation. I mean, unable to breed without assistance? Shame!

BUT, when it comes to inhumane practices of dying and snipping, then its just outright wrong. And supporting this trade is disguisting.

At this point, I'd like to ruffle a few feathers...
Is it worse to own a single fish that has been tortured by snipping and dyeing, whose rearing and breeding has had relatively insignificant impact on natural ecosystems etc,
OR is it worse to buy wild caught fish, shipped thousands of kilometers from their original destination, suffering massive losses en route and then in the tanks they end up in - only a fraction of these fish survive! For every of these fish YOU BUY, many have died to get that fish to YOU! This process directly depletes natural populations, wrecks havok on the healthy functioning of ecosystem processes and is in my opinion, a FAR greater crime than that of causing pain to a few man-made creatures of no environmental concern.

So, my apologies for raising an unpopular point. However I STRONGLY support the aquaculture trade, and whenever possible, buy aquaculture fish. That said, I am a something of a hypocrite. As I am currently trying to import some freshwater pufferfish for my girlfriends tank, and I have an otocinclus and a chinese hillstream loach in my tanks - both almost CERTAINLY wild caught. Okay, the hillstream loach was a gift from a friend, but hey, I still kept it! I did go online and check the conservation status of the red-eye puffer, and its not currently listed... which still means it could be in danger. But I WILL NOT buy any species thats threatened, endangered etc.

I'm writing this post to try and raise awareness about the impacts that YOU might be having DIRECTLY on the natural environment. We are living in an era where humans are exerting increasing pressures on our natural systems, and simultaneous eroding its ability to provide those natural services.

All I'm saying really, is think about everything that you do. Consider it carefully, and judge for yourself if it can be justified or not. Accept the responsibility of your actions. Not knowing, is not an excuse.

rant out... sorry if this offends anyone.

 

That's a VERY good point your bring up Dane. (+1) for that one!

While I agree with everything that has been shared here, let me point out something that isn't commonly known to the Parrot fish. Through the hybriization, they have developed deformities. THis we all know, as this is commonly the appeal to the fish because they look so different. In certain strains of the parrot fish, these deformities have made it difficult for the fish to eat in adulthood, and as time goes on, it will eventually starve itself to death because it can't eat. I've also heard of deformities causing the gill covers on the inside of the fish's mouth to grow closed... thus sufficating the fish. And don't get this wrong, this is a long and painful process. Both being starved and suffocation doesn't just happen instantly. The deformities grow slowly as the fish grow up, and thus starts restricting the flow of water or food SLOWLY.

I personally will not own a parrot fish for 2 reasons, (1), they look dog ugly, and (2) the practise in forming them.

Just my opinion.

 

Zoom I agree with you on the mouths being deformed. I had 2 parrot fish in my display tank and noticed they found it very difficult to eat. I could not bear to see the fish struggle at feeding time. They would try to eat and they mouth would not open wide enough. They would have to eat what the other fish would chew/bite and spit. I got rid of them. Will not buy parrots again. Thing is most young people out there are looking for fish with colour and the market is great for lfs stocking parrots. They don't know much about parrots and believe that the lfs will give them good and honest advice. Trusting that the lfs staff have a wide spread knowledge on all fish species. Those of us who don't like the "cruelty to animals" being performed on fish are in my opinion fighting a looseing battle. There are coloured terras and convicts out there now.

Just my 1 zillion zim dollars worth

 

well im tring to stop my LFS from selling parrots but ,people like them ,they are so uneducated so they buy what looks good .the parrot fish is'' made in china '' literally and cannot bo bred

 

" That's a VERY good point your bring up Dane. (+1) for that one!"
I strongly agree with Dane and Zoom! (+ 1 for both of you!)

I don't like parrots - and what people do to them / to create them / disfigure them etc.
Do parrot fish even have a scientific name?
I hate fish with funny names like parrot; balloon; Ink-injected etc.
Why do breeders/importers even try to play GOD and try to create monstroseties?
If that is not enough, they even cut off the tails when they are young, to create a diffrent looking parrot or flowerhorn.
As an afterthought, I don't actually have anything against parrots - but are against that what they represent - a cruel animal trade!
If no one buy them - no demand / no import.
I feel sorry for the fish and know that people sometimes try to "save" them from the lfs, but I will never keep a parrot as it will remind me of animal-cruelty every time I walk past it!
Don't get me wrong! I have nothing against people with parrots, but try not to support animal-cruelty! or this trade!
Just my opinion... I'm already running! LOL!

 

they dont have a scientific name as they are man made...there is another cichlid out there that is also man mad think its called ...the flower horn cichlid?

heres a pic


i know im posting 2 consecutive times..i just feel this needs its own post. i rate this whole creating fish by experimenting and editing their traits is balls...a quik google revealed a site of people who feel the same...

CHECK THIS OUT <NOT FOR THE SENSITIVE>

http://www.flowerhornusa.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32708&st=0&

 

well im pleased that people agree with my post .:blink1:

 

I understand your point BUT..............
I'm reasoning that if an animal(be it fish,reptile or mammal) is endangered it would make sense to sell off breeding pairs(with the knowledge or training to breed them) with the understanding that said animals offspring may only be sold back to a conservation agency,for either release back into the wild or for pairing them off and selling them again.
Same goes for plants that is endangered.
Don't you guys think that it will greatly help in conservation?

 

I agree with your above points, which is why I said I strongly support aquacultured species. However with rare, threatened, endangered species - I still don't think its a good idea. Its far too open to abuse... There are countless cases of "sustainable" aquaculture industries that are setup in-situ that are actually just wild harvesting "with a license". IMHO.

 

as i said in the other thread... now that i have one... what am i expected to do with him?

 

Care for him as best as tou can.he is not Dr Evil.He is minime.

 

lol thank you sharp