temperature change, how dangerous?

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  1. guido.coza

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    Hi all I read in quite a lot of threads about temperature chock. Even so that I try to pre heat my tap water most of the time, if I fill with rain or pond water I just add it as is, mostly f*** cold. The temp in the AQ drops than depending on the amount of WC by 2-3 C. Now I never had a problem so far (and when I go in the local river and dam the water temp. also varies greatly) but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen and I obviously would like to avoid it from the onset.
    What are your experience in that regards.
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    P.S. new 250l in progress
     
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    Firstly i hope your using a dechlorinator for your tap water. Secondly i would not recommend using rain or pond water as you do not know what nasty things are hiding inside the water from these sources.

    As for the question of Temperature shock. ask yourself how many times can run around outside on a rainy winters day befor you get sick?
    Exposing your fish to temperature drops or rises is not directly bad for them, but is stresses their bodies and this could compromises their immune system making them susceptible to other diseases such as ich.

    Remember keeping your fishes aquarium as close to their natural environment will help keep them as healthy as possible.
     
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    I agree with butcherman 100% with a slight exception.

    In the wild, there is no guarantee that the river/lake will always be at the same temperature. To be honest, I think the river/lake water varies FAR more than what our tanks every will vary. Just go swim in a lake for a while and feel the different hot/cold patches. Rain brings cold water. Hail brings even colder water.

    Yes, the water change with cold water would shock them... but I think the pH difference (if any) would shock them even more.

    A LOT of fish actually start spawning with a quick hour or 2 of colder water.
     
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    Hi Butcherman
    As was just now in another thread discussed, water directly from the tap seems often practised without negative effect. One of the reasons for using rain/pond water is to get around the chemicals found in the tap water, namely chloriene. I also feed my fish with live food from both sources
    The reason Zoom stated made me beleave that temperature variations can't be that bad for the fish because they are all the time exposed to them in the wild.
    Does anybody had actually bad experience with fish loss through temp. fluctuations
     
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    With rain and pond water there might not be chlorine but there might be other bad things in there.... acid rain and such.
    As for adding tap water straight from the tap how can you grantee that the water parameters are what you need in the tank, ie pH gH temperature chlorine, chloromine, nitrates etc..
    Is it not easier to put it in a bucket and make sure its alright for your fish?
    its easier to treat water befor it enters your closed ecosystem in your tank than trying to fix a problem once it is inside your tank.
    Yes in nature there are thing like temperature fluctuations but there is also things like stability and fresh flowing water keeping things like nitrates stable. Things we can't emulate in an aquarium like constant supply of fresh new water from up stream.
    As for people not having bad experiences with putting tap water straight into their aquarium's. If you only changing 10% of your water then no it wont fluctuate so much. but lets say you keep discus fish which require you to keep water from about @ 27 - 30 and its winter at you do a 25% water change. this might lower the temperature to much and stress your fish, making them susceptible to disease. and thats what you need to avoid.

    I'm not saying it will happen only that it might happen. personally I prefer to do as much as possible to keep my fish in tiptop shape. stuff like treating for chlorine befor i add the water to my tank. heating the water if i have to do a water change of more than 20%, These precautions might not be necessary but they provide a safety net if you will.

    If you feel that what your doing is the right thing for your aquarium thats great it is after all your live stock and your money.
     
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    you can't really compare the fish in your tank to the fish in the river, because your fish were not bread in the river the were in a tank the hole live.
    but I do water changes straight from the tap and my tanks temp drops at the most 2 degrees. and I have not lost a fish because of it
     
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    how much water do you change?
     
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    Between 20% and 50% depending on the day and so on.
     
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    Will have a read thanks for the link

    Can't find the article on the link you sent are you sure it is right?
    I will Google it.
     
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    Hi Butcherman
    thanks for the reply.
    Would warm water out of concern and fear if a <30% WC. As to the pollution worry i really don't have. As for the pond water I feed at least 3 times a week from this pond so if there would be pathogenes i would get them through that as well?
    A little of subject, wouldn't exposure to, For exsample pathogenes from different water bodies and harden't fish not also be more resistant to deseases ? I'm not speaking about discus and other specialety fish!
     
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    not to sure about this but in my opinion i think it would be a bad thing. i mean unless you can controll the amount they are exposed to how do you know what your exposing them to is not leathal?
     

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