Strange breathing/dying

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  1. Lowflyer7

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    Hi girls and guys

    I hope lockdown is going well for you all.

    Quick question. A few days ago, one of my sword tails started breething rapidly. This lasted about 3 days, and the fish was dead! Now one of my male platies is doing the same?

    My rummy nose's face is bright red, my neons are coloured up and all other fish are healthy and breathing normally.

    I am very confused. Any ideas? I thought of buying some Prime and Stability as I have run out, but the petshops are only open for the sale of pet food.

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    takealot is selling stability
     
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    I’m sorry for your loss :(

    Was half tempted to crack some joke about Corona virus but it’s not funny to lose fish...

    Are they bloated at all?
     
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    Unfortunately I have to go through a roadblock to fetch deliveries. Not sure how I'll explain to a policeman that Stability and Prime are essential items

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    No bloating at all.

    I'm just puzzled. All fish look healthy, have a healthy appetite and are breathing fine, jut the one is struggling.

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    Sorry man hope he comes right... fingers crossed for you
     
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    Test your water ASAP. Could be nitrogen poisoning in some form.
     
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    Cant you tell them your going to pick up meds for your pets? They see the bottles , Dont think they would know the difference ? And those are products essential to help your pets , especially in this situation . Maybe do a small water change ? Something might be wrong with your water .
     
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    I contacted the petshop last night and they are permitted to sell Prime. They don't have Stability unfortunately, but I'll buy Prime today. I did a 20% water change last night. I'm religious with my weekly water changes. Usually 30 litres a week, so 15% weekly.

    I have been using daro water conditioner for last few months, but nothing works like Prime and Stability!

    Thanks for the messages guys. Its been really puzzling because it has been one fish at a time

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    It’s very puzzling that it’s a platy and a swordtail, they’re super hardy usually. And if I remember correctly you have clown loaches in there and they’re fine? And pearl gouramis.

    How old were the affected fish? But a big coincidence that they would die of old age / show the same symptoms so close together in time.

    Yes Daro water conditioner won’t take care of chloramines but Prime will.
     
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    Exactly my issue. Normally the live bearers are the hardy species. Even the neons are doing well and I've struggled with them before.

    My Pearls are out and about(the males belly is even bright orange), all the fish have a good appetite and the colours look good.

    I think I need to start collecting test kits. I usually have water tested at the petshop, but I'm going to have to look at buying my own now.

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    I don't think 15% WC weekly is enough, it leads to something called Nitrate creep. Nitrates on their own are not going to outright kill your fish but it's suspected that it leads to opportunistic issues to take hold in your fish.
     
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    Do you have an pic of the platy? Sounds more like a type of parasite. Does your water smell?
     
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    Plus 1. I would personally do 2x 50 percent water changes. 50% today and 50 percent tomorrow. I am just amazed how the hardy fish went down first. If your water quality was poor one would think it's the sensitive fish that would have been affected first. How clean is the filter media?

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    Good idea. Is the Seachem Ammonia checker working out for you? Else get a liquid test, assuming your lfs can sell you one. If you don’t have an ammonia issue then Stability isn’t a priority during lockdown (especially since your lfs is out of stock).

    Tracking your nitrates will help inform your wc regime. I think a 15% weekly could be enough if the tank is lightly stocked, heavily planted and you don’t over feed. But without actually checking the nitrates it’s a bit of a gamble and as @Hendre says could lead to nitrate creep especially as the fish grow larger etc.

    And, as said, switch to Prime or Safe or something similar that takes care of chlorine and chloramines. The combination and concentration of stuff they put in municipal water is sometimes so unpredictable that something that hasn’t been an issue before can suddenly become one.
     
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    Thanks.
    Unfortunately not. They move around too fast for my phone to get a clear pic. The fish looks healthy and is doesn't look starved at all. Very strange.
    I think this is going to be my best bet, but I don't have the keeping capacity for 100 litres of water to do 50% water changes. So I'm thinking 4 changes of 25%?
    I have bought Prime I'm going to try and do daily water changes with Prime for the next few days.

    The ammonia checker died a long time ago. I won't buy that thing again. Test kits are way better!

    Will keep you all updated. As I say, 99% of my fish, even the ones I would have expected to be affected first, are all healthy and colourful.
     
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    I think you either had worms in the 2 or you have an gill parasites.. The fact that you have no algea or any effecr on any othe fish water quality affects all the fish your neons will suffer first.
     
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    Makes sense...
     
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    If this is the case, do I need to remove the affected fish from the tank before it dies?

    I'm not entirely sure where my fish could have gotten a parasite from, if this is what it is, because I haven't added any new livestock (plants, snails and plants) in almost 2 months

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    I do have a hair algae (filamentis) projlem which had been going ever since I introduced a plant with it on quite a few months ago.

    I took all media out of my filter 3 weeks ago and rinsed it in tank water (was only out the water for a couple of seconds).

    I'm going to try and do daily water changes for the next few days and add prime when I do.

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