Seachem Tidal HOB Filters

Discussion in 'Equipment Reviews' started by FMN716, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. f-fish

    f-fish #unspecified

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2009
    Messages:
    9,556
    Likes Received:
    2,154
    Location:
    JHB - Randburg
    In a new tank it always needs more TLC in the beginning. That would include cleaning filters. If I touch a tank these days - I do not event start without hanging an aquaclear with just batting on the side ... leave a few days to just pick-up and clean the extra load.

    Later Ferdie
     
  2. Guest




  3. OP
    FMN716

    FMN716 Back in the GAME!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Edenvale, JHB
    Hi,
    Hi Ferdie thanks for the reply to be honest this is day 43 using the tidal, in my opinion there are better filters out there but you are right after a power issue you dont have to worry about it starting up.

    I think this filter is great for someone using a bare bottom tank, medium to large size gravel stone substrate, medium to low stocked tanks and definitely not for a planted tank.

    I have done hours of research and my own tricks and tips but I honestly thinks the below is the only mods that should be done

    *Seal bottom hole on intake tube
    *Intake tube filter sponge
    *Coarse Sponge by the pump
    *Foam Piece by the level adjuster at the back of the filter

    These below mods should not be done

    *Do not replace the blue coarse sponge with something less dense that came with the filter or add another behind it, it will create bypass
    *Do not add additional sponges to inside the media bucket or in the filter other than the above that I mentioned
    *Do not get additional Seachem Matrix the media becomes to compact, restricting flow causing bypass, get bio rings or bio balls must have good flow
    *Do not over feed, overstock or get too many fish that like to poop sponge gets clogged up quick
    *I would suggest if you have a 30 gallon tank (3ft) do not go for the tidal 35. You should double your tank size have and get the filter, for instance a Tidal 55 would be a minimum for a 30 Gallon tank

    Below is my final finding and final mod that I have done to improve this filter efficiency, but unfortunately I have been unsuccessful as if I want to reduce bypass I will need to get a coarse sponge, and remove some of my Seachem Matrix Media

    This is how I found it after 2 weeks after my initial mods, going forth I wont be adding the additional sponges

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-04 at 11.43.32.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.07 (1).jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.07.jpeg

    Now for the additional sponges I installed

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.08.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.11 (1).jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.08 (1).jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.09.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.10.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.09 (1).jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.13 (1).jpeg

    Media Basket Dirt

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.14 (1).jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.16.jpeg

    These are the sponges I will be keeping

    Media Basket Sponge
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.14.jpeg

    Had to clean in in tank water close to 6 times to get it clean

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.15 (1).jpeg

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.15.jpeg

    Pump Sponge - Keeping it coarse as I dont want to clean it at every water change

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.19.jpeg

    Pump Housing with sponge

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.18 (1).jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.19 (2).jpeg

    Here is the water that was in the housing

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.21 (1).jpeg

    Grime stuck in the housing

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.20 (1).jpeg

    Mods to follow below
     
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2020
  4. OP
    FMN716

    FMN716 Back in the GAME!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Edenvale, JHB
    Couldnt add this due to maximum picture count

    But here is the water and what it looked like took 4 attempts to get my media clean and it was constantly submerged in tank water to avoid backteria dying

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.13.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.22 (1).jpeg

    In an order to improve usage of the sponge and to provide more flow I added extra holes in the media basket, but this has not fixed the bypass issue. I might get some hate here but I wanted to try do everything possible to fix this issue and it is also great to put on a thread and help others

    So here are the holes drilled into the media basket keep in mind that this basket is slightly elevated in the housing.

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.01.56.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.01.57.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.01.58.jpeg

    This is where the sponge is sitting and it is oversized so it seals well and hopefully will be better used and wont clog up as quick

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 02.11.21.jpeg

    Here is the pump on less than half flow with its bypass, I removed the media slowly to see the results, look at the area around the white bucket

    With all media

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 10.27.46.jpeg

    Bio Rings removed (from my old filter)

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 10.27.47.jpeg

    With Seachem Matrix removed (still had by pass due to sponge - this sponge is the same coarseness as any sponge filter) - didnt drop by much

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 10.27.48 (1).jpeg

    Here is my media bag that came with the filter very nice actually

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 10.27.47 (1).jpeg

    When I bought the filter I bought an additional 250g of Seachem Matrix and put it into the same bag as it was half the amount of what you see in the bag

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 10.27.48.jpeg

    So after typing this I think my last and final mod will be to get a coarse sponge next and cut it over sized, I wont but the Seachem one as now that the holes have been drilled there will be an issue of bypass in the media bucket.

    I eventually want to get a flower horn and I will probably end up using this filter in that tank

    Thanks for viewing
     
    Cale24 likes this.
  5. WernerP

    WernerP

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2017
    Messages:
    103
    Likes Received:
    47
    Location:
    Mondeor in Johannesburg, Gauteng.
    Interesting.
     
    FMN716 likes this.
  6. OP
    FMN716

    FMN716 Back in the GAME!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Edenvale, JHB
    Hi sorry fogot to add this but I think it will be beneficial to the thread

    This is the comparison of the sponges cut at the same thickness, bot where cut thinner for a more accurate representation

    The Tidal filters come with the blue coarse sponge and I have fitted a custom cut black sponge

    2770d13e-b53d-468e-a2a7-7d3b302b06a4.jpg
    d4742e75-7abd-476b-8e59-e00c70f15aec.jpg

    Please note that these sponges are actually thicker I had just cut them thinner for the project but it give you an idea how coarse the blue sponge is

    The black sponge is much thicker than the blue sponge as per the pic below

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 20.40.05.jpeg

    This is an uncut comparison of the sponges density

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-05 at 20.41.05.jpeg

    Update to follow in 2 weeks time on the outcome of the media basket and the change to to a less coarse sponge
     
  7. OP
    FMN716

    FMN716 Back in the GAME!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Edenvale, JHB
    Does anyone know where I can get this type of coarse uncut sponge (looking for a sheet of sponge) as I am struggling to find it

    Thanks
     
  8. hs72

    hs72

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2018
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Pretoria
    Seachem hob is still cheaper than a canister. Canister is double the price at least. Anyone tried the SOBO canister? R1500 for 1500l/hr
     
  9. OP
    FMN716

    FMN716 Back in the GAME!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Edenvale, JHB
    Not that cheap the tidal 75 is between R1200-1400


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  10. Blade

    Blade

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2016
    Messages:
    291
    Likes Received:
    138
    Location:
    Port Elizabeth
    I tried the SOBO, pain in the backside! You have to prime by opening a cap ontop and add water till full so no pump action like Dolphin or Plax Cascade, fittings break to easy where pipes go onto cannister.

    Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
     
  11. hs72

    hs72

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2018
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Pretoria
    I thought it's too good to be true.
     
  12. necris

    necris

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2019
    Messages:
    171
    Likes Received:
    221
    Location:
    PE
    that list of mods reminds me of the 90's - 2000's fast n furious cars with the mod parts list on the front wheel arch.
    never owned a tidal, bought an aquaclear 70, popped some extra media in and topped the sponge with batting, added an intake sponge...job done. only ever had issue after power failure before adding intake sponge, now, flawless every time. dont even have it on ups anymore
     
  13. OP
    FMN716

    FMN716 Back in the GAME!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Edenvale, JHB
    REVENGE OF THE TIDAL!!!

    So I had a 3ft aka 30 Gal aka 115l and it was one of those cheapo tanks

    The tidal was in the center of the tank at the back, I moved it there about 2 weeks ago and today I walk into this

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-09 at 21.58.38 (1).jpeg

    You can see the fish on the bottom, so I filled up a 5l treated it with prime, made sure the water was warmish and put them in. I lost as few fish really sad but learnt a lesson

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-09 at 21.58.38.jpeg

    If it wasnt for florite black sand and I had the normal gravel my fish would have all died, currently they are at Wild on Pets who could keep them for me, so big thanks to them

    Below is the crack from the back corners joining in a curved shape

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-09 at 21.58.39 (1).jpeg

    To save the plants and bacteria I put the sand, sponges and media in the tank and put in my old power head filter, I removed the sponge and added a bag of bacteria to get water flowing and to save as much as I could

    Here is a pic of my dying plants which were previously going amazing

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-09 at 21.58.39.jpeg

    So I treated new water with lots of prime and connected my CO2 and a light.

    I also added Flouite fertilizer and seachem stability

    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-09 at 21.58.40 (1).jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-01-09 at 21.58.41.jpeg

    So final thoughts on the Tidal

    *The drilled bucket really works sponge doesn't clog up as easily, really impressed
    *The motor of the pump was running dry for an unknown time and it still works
    *The bacteria is still of as there was water in the bucket where the media is kept
    *I have decided to keep the current sponge with its density and if bypass happens we so be it, eventually it will get it
    *Mods to do is pump sponge, seal bottom of intake tube, Intake sponge, Extra holes in media bucket and a higher density and thicker foam that fits snug, no floss and media that water can pass through easily
    *Not for tanks with thin glass
    *Double the filter size for your tank dont listen to the manufacturer, if you have a 30 Gal dont get a tidal 35 rather get a 55 or 75

    Hopefully most of my fish survive that I took to the petshop so far I have 11 deaths

    As a side note my tank

    *Was on a surface with absolute no movement
    *Flat and level
    *No interference from my cats
    *No fluctuations with heat it was constant
    *Surface was on wood
    *Tank was far away from a breeze or a window
    *No heavy ornaments on glass or rock touching glass
    *Tank had foam on the bottom
    *Never moved

    A 3ft tank is too long to have thin glass

    Want a 3ft spend a little extra to save lives !

    RIP to the little fishies gone but hopefully the rest will survive, holding thumbs for the other 7 that might live
     
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2020
  14. Pezulu

    Pezulu Moderator Comp Coordinator

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2015
    Messages:
    3,374
    Likes Received:
    1,342
    Location:
    Centurion
    Ouch.
    I had the Tidal 55 on a 3ft tank as well.

    I lost my very first tank due the base cracking.
    There was a thin polistyrene sheet under the base, and the tank was on a wooden desk.
    The desk showed no signs of warping, moving or shifting, and my son uses the desk for his PC to this day.
    Since then I have run many tanks, and have only had one other tank (a small 1ft) crack due to me over-tightening the retaining screws of a Zetlight Aqua 1200.
     
    FMN716 likes this.
  15. OP
    FMN716

    FMN716 Back in the GAME!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Edenvale, JHB
    Hmmm interesting so could the tidal have caused the crack ?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  16. Pezulu

    Pezulu Moderator Comp Coordinator

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2015
    Messages:
    3,374
    Likes Received:
    1,342
    Location:
    Centurion
    Anything is possible.
    I was running my Tidal 55 on the tank for about a year, and had no issues at all.
    My suspicion in my case was that the wooden desk was somehow responsible for the tank cracking.
     
  17. OP
    FMN716

    FMN716 Back in the GAME!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Edenvale, JHB
    Oh ok but a tidal 55 is smaller than the 75 which I have and if it’s smaller it will also be lighter


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  18. OP
    FMN716

    FMN716 Back in the GAME!!!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    66
    Location:
    Edenvale, JHB
    So out of the fish I am left with the 1 Gourami and 2 snails and find myself to soon upgrading to a 4ft. I have lost 16 fish

    Came really close to throwing in the towel last week

    As a side note to 3ft tank owners with 5mm glass add a center glass brace to protect your tank

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  19. A new day

    A new day

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2019
    Messages:
    3,200
    Likes Received:
    2,435
    Location:
    Cape Town
    Ouch...sorry man, it sucks! I’ve also been close to throwing in the towel when the 180L got the plague.

    Looking forward to the 4ft. Best thing we can do when disaster strikes is to cut our losses, learn from the experience and do it better next time. Sure it’s going to be great :thumbup:
     
    FMN716 likes this.
  20. f-fish

    f-fish #unspecified

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2009
    Messages:
    9,556
    Likes Received:
    2,154
    Location:
    JHB - Randburg
    I would not hang any HOB on a 3ft long panel - well not the stock plate glass 3ft that does not have support. You can kinda see why if you look a the bowing of the long panels.

    Have HOB on the short panel - no issues.

    Later Ferdie
     
    FMN716 likes this.
  21. fux940510

    fux940510

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2019
    Messages:
    361
    Likes Received:
    325
    Location:
    Strubens Valley
    Just a thought - if your main concern with this filter is the amount of bypass, why not just ditch the media basket? It frees up a bit of space and removes all of the channels that the bypass went through. All you'd need is a bit of egg crate or some cheap ceramic rings at the bottom of the filter to lift your mechanical media up a bit, keep your biological media in bags and off you go.
     

Recent Posts

Loading...
Similar Threads - Seachem Tidal Filters Forum Date
Seachem Tidal Hang On Filters Almost Here !! Dorry Pets Feb 2, 2017
Wanted: Seachem Tidal 55 or 75 Wanted/Swop/Freebies Sep 11, 2019
Seachem Tidal 55 Filtration Jun 22, 2019
Seachem Tidal 55 General Equipment discussion Sep 7, 2018
Seachem tidal 110 General Equipment discussion Jul 10, 2017
Shrimp safe Seachem Tidal filter Species Tanks Jun 26, 2017
Shrimp safe Seachem Tidal HOB Community Tanks Jun 26, 2017

Share This Page