Seachem Flourish Exel?

Just how good or bad is this product? I see some people swear by it and others say it is not so good for a tank with fish. Comments?

 

It rocks in my opinion. Some say Ottos are sensitive to it, but I never had them die using Excel.

I killed them with pressurized Co2.

 

Works like a charm.
If you have Valls use lower doses

 

I think the issue of excel is the ingredients are toxic if I remember correctly?? So you may not loose any fish immediately, but their livers and internal organs are taking a thrashing!!

The result may not be death, but rather hampered growth, shortened life span, poor colouring and suseptability to other disease etc!

There is a thread some where on here where it was discussed quite extensively!! Do a search for excel and see what comes up?? Hopefully you will find the right thread??

I will certainly not use this product, at least not continuously, maybe just as a shock treatment here and there! But then I wouldn't use this product because I just can't afford it or justify the exspense!!

Cheers
Big G!

 

Big G when you have time please give us some of the research links of the above.

 

http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/showthread.php?t=1326&highlight=flourish+excel

This thread has a big discussion in it about the bad effects of excell!!

Although the whole thread is worth reading, its from about poage 3 onwards is where it gets interesting!!

Cheers!!
G!

 

Thanks Big G

 

Go and have a look at Algae Wizards tank on the planted tank subforums... Then tell me it's bad. He keeps Discus, Golden Nugget Pleco, Ottos, Cardinals, Rummies and a few other tetras as well as Corries...

No harm done to them. He suppliments his Co2 with Excell... But now he has started using Tropica Plant Nutrition. It is by FAR the best plant ferts on the planet.

 

Now I am very confused – to use or not to use
I will research it and then decide

 

I am not one to write long stories so.
The short of it all will be, I will still be using it unless I see first hand ill effects to the fish.
The long of it - there is alot of info out there. Steve you read it with a level head and make you own choice

 

Q: Is Flourish Excel™ safe for fish?
A: Yes, when used as directed, Flourish Excel is completely safe for fish.

this was taken off the Seachem website (see last question on webpage).

http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/FlourishExcel.html

I have no experience with this particluar seachem product but I know seachem are VERY good at what they do so would lean towards trusting them.

Just follow the instructions to the T as stated by them

 

just like meds, too much is never good for you.
Like everything in life we need to find a balance

 

Look, from my perspective, I have no experience with this product, but have heard many many reports on how good it is at getting rid of algae and promoting plant growth. Sounds great...

BUT, and isn't there always a 'Big BUTT'!! I then hear reports from two people who I have grown to respect very much, particularly the Prof, commenting on how one of the active ingredients within this product is actually very harmful, particularly under long term usage.

So for me, I tend to err on the side of caution, particularly when it comes to the health of my fish, so I would rather not use such a product and be safe, than take the chance to the detriment of my fish.

It may very well be a perfectly safe product to use, but the very fact that it has been called into account is enough for me NOT to use it.

Hope that helps clear up my viewpoint??

Go ahead and use it if you are comfortable doing so, but for me its something I'll avoid until I have proof it is absolutley safe for use on fish, rather than the other way around!!

In the meantime, I will continue to use Dirks Secret Druppels - Turbo Charged edition to make my plants green!! I'm no plant Guru, so Whilst my plants may not be as green as some, I'm happy if they are growing well!!

Cheers
Big G!

 

Ditto rather safe than sorry

 

Thats the beauty of forums Big G... everyone can give their opinion and the questioner can then make an educated decision.

personally i respect your precautionary approach, and so do the fishies i suspect. as i have no experience either I was just presenting what was on the official website to the discussion.

Man I need to upgrade! I'm still running naturally aspirated lol

 

You should lay off the Big Macs if this is the case...

Look, I use it and I swear by it. It is bloody good at promoting plant growth. It's a great algae killer and, if bought in 2L bottles, is not that expensive... But yeah. Each to his own...

 

1.Flourish Excel™ is NOT a medication.
2.Flourish Excel™ is much cheaper than CO2
3.Flourish Excel™ had NO deaths in my planted community tank far the past 12 Months.
4.I am using double the recommended dosage without any sign of stress to the fish.