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  1. Ren

    Ren Member

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    So had my first scare last week. 4.5 weeks into cycling plant leaves got yellow tinge and platies hiding.
    Immediately did a 30% water change and started Google up..
    Did another 30% change within 24 hours.
    Bought Prime and chucked in a cap full.
    2 says later did a 50% change. Added Prime, Scape carbon and flourish (no stock of scape complete).
    Since doing daily dose of carbon. 20% water change every 2 days adding Prime.
    I don't have a test kit yet...
    Cycling my tank with 6 platies and plants.
    Prior to my "crash" all was going well. Plants shooting roots new leaves and happy fish.
    I added 6 plants on the Sunday..by Wednesday things went South.
    Fish and plants are doing better. New growth although the old leaves are dropping off.
    Apart from a test kit what advice can you give to build my community tank?
    Platies it seems are here to stay..kids like them...and so do I
    Open for suggestions and reprimands...here to learn

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    Hi @Ren and welcome to the forum

    I can only think that something went pear shaped with the cycling but difficult to tell without testing the water

    Did you do any water changes at all during the 4.5 weeks before this happened?

    What size is tank and what filters are you running?

    Personally I like to add Seachem Stability while cycling a tank
    It seeds your media with good bacteria thus helping it to cycle and at same time protects the fish from the stress of the cycling
     
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    Ren

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    Size is 123×45x45 close to 250l
    Eheim 2217 filter. 3 air stones running. Semi planted....didn't want to go all out from the start. Pic available in my intro thread.
    I did water changes every 3rd day (20%). Started with plants only for 4 days. Then added 6 platies.
    Kept up with the changes. Only changed to 2 day changes from last week when things looked wrong.
    Know I need a test kit but the strips are crazy prices and seem to be crap (my research)?
    One of my lfs offers testing..just scared to rock up and get charged $$$ for a test strip
    As a start what kit would be preferred?

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    I always suggest trying to get some media from an established tank.(filter)
    Either from the lfs or another fish keeper.

    Am in two minds re these "bacteria in a bottle products"
    Not convinced by them.
     
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    I have had great success with Seachem Stability.
    Used as directed it definitely helps speed up the cycling of the tank by seeding the tank with all the beneficial bacteria you need.
    When it is used in conjunction with Seachem Prime, it quickly establishes a safe habitat for the fish.

    I have started many tanks from new, and by adding those 2 products, have been able to introduce livestock to the tanks within days, rather than weeks.
    There have never been any losses due to unsuitable water conditions.
     
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    I am no expert and I only do a third water change on my tanks like every 2-4 weeks. Will less frequent water changes not be better, or is it standard to do those many changes when cycling?
     
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    I've never done a successful fishless cycle. I add one small fish and leave it in for three days. Then add another small fish. Third fish addwd a week later and then I slowly add fish untill it's completely cycled. I have never lost a single fish while cycling this way
    I feed very little in that time and don't use any other products. Still do my weekly water changes.
    Of course I always keep all my filters running so I don't need to cycle that often because I already have cycled filters
     
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    No fish lost in my cycle yet. Will phone lfs and ask about their tests. Need to know if my cycle is over

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    Hendre More fish?

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    I do fishless cycles with stability, add for 3 days before the first fish

    Or use cycled media, all I do now with media from other tanks
     
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    Scape back-up is fantastic for cycling a tank QUICKLY - very quickly !!! It works like a bomb !!!
     
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    'Bacteria in a bottle' products DO work and are very effective. You can establish a filter with bacteria in days !!!
     
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    Yes they scape backup very good

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    See......I have never understood how.

    As far as I am aware, bacteria involved in the Nitrogen cycle do not form dormant spores when "times get tough". They die without a constant supply of nutrients, fresh water & oxygen
    People are constantly reminded that if your filter stops pumping for more than a few hours, it will lead to problems.

    So now there are these "bacteria in a bottle" products.
    A liquid containing all the bacteria you need to kick start the filter. That sits on a shelf at the lfs for days, weeks, maybe months.
    There may be a limited amount of nutrients? But certainly no fresh water flow. And no oxygen supply.
    What's keeping the bacteria alive??
    Further, between production and being introduced to your tank, were the bottles stored at ideal temps.
    Perhaps the temp in the truck was above/below optimum tolerance? That could also play a role in speeding up the demise of the bacteria.

    Some people swear by these products.
    But from a scientific point of view I question how they work
     
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    The bacteria strains we use, of which there are over 30 different strains, are all affected by pH. So when the pH drops they go dormant. The pH of our mixture is around 3. Which is why they're dormant. Our bottled product contains over 90000 bacteria per ml, which is monstrous compared to the other stuff on the market.

    When they come into contact with water, at a higher pH, they come out of their dormant state and continue their life in the aquarium, where they will attach to porous surfaces and begin denitrifying the water.

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    Answer from Sean for product bacup from scape

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    Hi,

    Yes, the above is what I wrote. If you have any further questions you'd like to ask, please go ahead.

    Sean


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    How much does stability contain?

    They do work, but I only add for a few days before a fish. Since it won't survive long without any fish
     
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    @Reedfish... How do you seed or start up a septic tank or french drains?
    Its also bacteria that you buy in powder form... that works..

    My fear of getting media from a LFS is, what it can bring into my tank..
     
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    I don't know.

    If you add fish food, the bacteria will have something to feed off.




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    Ren

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    Apart from seeding a new tank...
    I did a fish in cycle and pros and cons aside from bottled additive plants etc..
    Test kits...suggestions please?
    This is my first proper tank. So I know now that understanding what goes wrong is closely tied to testing and acting on results
    I do have plants and fish...
    Seems to me there is no one stop shop (test) to give me the info to act before things go wrong.
    What do you guys use to pre-emp an eco system (tank) going south?

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