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    So after i had great success with my cichlid and comunity tanks that i started during the lockdown time. I decided to start a planted tank for neo caridinas. Well something i did was definatly wrong.... i aded the plants. Let the tank cycle for a week and then aded a filter that has been in a fully functional tank.

    I then got some bleu dreams...... well suddenly they started fliping over. Not dead, they keep faling over amd lie on their back.... i have no idea what this is and how to handle it

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    That is strange.
    Never seen them do that.
    Perhaps something in the tank or water column does not agree with them.

    Remember that shrimp prefer an established tank.
    They are also very susceptible to changes in water parameters.
    Temperature, pH and other parameters can make a big difference.
    Try and get the water parameters as close as possible to what they were used to before you got them.
     
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    I did proper acclimation with them. Did a slow 3 hr drip with air line an everything.
    Im thinking that the drift wood might be the issue?

    I got them from the wild but cooked them and let them dry for 4 days in the sun.

    At this time im just so dissapointed in myself. Cause i dont know what to do. Ph is the same and the temp as well. But yea....

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    I had this with some Amanos. After a day or 2 they died. I put it down to the lava rock I was using in my filter containing some or other metal. Removed the lava rock, got new amanos and no issue.
     
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    I did add exel to the water that adds iron in the water.

    I think it might have expired too. Im not sure.

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    As long as you don’t overdose excel it shouldn’t be the issue. More likely that there has been a minor nitrite or ammonia spike that shrimp can’t handle?
    I’ve had cherry shrimp die from 0,5 nitrites after a substrate change...

    Perhaps add Stability for a week if you haven’t already?
     
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    I'll give that a try. Havt thought of that yet.

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    Check for planaria on the glass and during feeding time. I lost a lot of shrimp due to it about a month ago.
     
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    From your description it seems like its poisoning.
     
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    I did move them to a new cycled biger tank today. And as I moved the plants and hard scape i did see some small originisms.

    Could that be planaria?

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    I would stay far away from Excel while having shrimp in your tank... I haven’t killed any shrimp from using it... But the only time I’ve ever had 5 Amanos walk out my tank was when I added Excel... I asked around and there are mixed feelings, I would suggest not using it because of the mixed reviews... But that’s me just being extra safe
     
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    Thanks i will try and care for them as good as i can. Hopefully they dont die
    And deffinatly stay away from adding things


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    I feel so bad now. So all the shrimp have dissapeared. So probably meaning they died.
    I still don't know the exact reason for this. But from what i gathered from the advice you guys gave me. It is probably due to poisoning from the ferts i used, combined with ammonia poisining as well.

    It really sucks to know that due to my own inexperience i caused the death of such precious creatures.

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    I had a similar issue when I had my tan crash before lockdown. Chemicals got in, killed off everything bar two shrimp. After I moved them to a holding tank they did the whole roll over thing, and it took a few days before it stopped. When they did get back into my tank after it was reset, they disappeared within a few min and I didn't see them for a good few days before they surfaced again. Ended up dying in the end, but I think the main cause of that was the original poisoning mixed with the fact they chopped and changed temp, water parameters, venues and all that so much in a short space.

    They are very sensitive to metals though - so maybe something to do with tap water where you are?

    It is one of those things though - just write it off as a learning curve and know that the next time round you will be able to give them exactly what they need!
     
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    Its a horible feeling. And im 100% sure we are all in this hobby cause we love animals, and when you cause them to die it messes with your head and heart

    What i saw is that the exel has allot of iron in it. And i think that the breeder deffinatly didn't put any firts in their tank. I live in jhb houghton area. So i have no idea what the parameters are like. So i decided that from now, whenever i start a new tank, doesn't matter if i use filter media that hase biological media from a nother tank. Im gonna start with RO water and add the kh and gh to it.
    Just need to invest in proper RO system and then i dont have to keep buying the water

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    Sorry to hear about that.. I agreed its very heart breaking when they die .. After all they are living creatures like we are..
    Hopefully next time things will go better for you!
     
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    Sorry to hear and sad to say we all know that horrible feeling when livestock die on our watch :(

    I really think the most important thing is to wait until the tank is properly cycled and matured. Shrimp really don’t handle any kind of level, however minute, of ammonia or nitrite present. It’s the most likely culprit under your circumstances...

    Would be worthwhile investing in liquid test kits for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates before investing in and RO system which is usually not necessary for neocaridinas?
     
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    Thats the first thing on my wish list for the en of the month.
    Proper testing kits.
    Dont know what happened to mine. Obviously when you havnt used things in years you tend to misplace them and as you need them they are nowhere to be found.

    So for now i'm leaving the ta k as is with a proper 50% water change for the next few weeks till i get the kits and then we take it from there

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    So crazy to see the difference between types of aquarium critters.
    Been breeding and playing with cichlid and comunity fish for years. Now that i try the planted critter thing you start to realize how masive rhe difference is in keeping these fish. But at the end its also the same

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    I have a Sera Master Test Kit you can have. It has expired but I tested the solutions against my API Freshwater Master Kit and get the same readings. Its yours if you want to collect, Meyerton area.
     
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