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  1. Lee

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    Hi I’m considering get either a 3ft or 4ft , everything depending on electricity cost per month and winter my room is cold taking all into account. Also im renting a room so space as well. Anyone how +- how much each one would cost on adverage I would really appreciate it. Also looking for internal filtration system. I was planning for live plants and grass now reconsider it the soil expensive form the pet shop. Any suggestions on cheaper products I could go with? As for fish I’m thinking of getting Bristlenose catfish or Oto catfish (dwarf sucker) if I can find them been looking around. Dwarf Gourami or honey goursmi x2. Danio colour ones would like a few, cherry barb. Albino Cory. Neon tetra, there a few more but can’t recall the name all have simpler heat and hp levels
     
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    Hi @Lee and welcome to the forum

    The difference in cost to run a 3 or 4ft is hardly any... and looking at your list of wish fish, i would rather go with a 4ft
    You not only have just a little more space but the bit of extra water makes it easier to keep your water parameters right
    Below is a link to a thread on how to calculate the electrical cost of running your tank

    https://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/...e-the-electrical-cost-of-running-a-tank.14043

    As far as soil goes, you could start with a low tech tank and use PFS for substrate.
    Use easy to grow plants that can be tied to wood or rocks like, java ferns and anubias
    That should give you a fairly cheap start, you an always go fancier in time
     
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    Welcome Lee ... bigger water volume is easier to keep sable, consider covering your tanks with a blanket at night do save cost - get fish that are happy at around 18 degrees - get a heater that can go down to 18 degrees, keep the tank in winter at 18 degrees. Shop around to get the best price on stuff, cheapest is not always the best in the long run. Look into mineralised soil for using potting soil or go normal PFS.

    Later Ferdie
     
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    Hi there, and welcome

    The biggest cost of an aquarium is often at the outset, but you're wise to consider running costs as well. As a general rule, larger tanks are easier to maintain, as the larger volume of water can help to "dilute" problems you might encounter along the way. However, a bigger tank needs a bigger filter and a bigger heater, which both consume more electricity. The heating costs can be buffered out by taking certain measures - like insulating your tank for the winter, and turning off the heater for the summer - but filtration is something you can't cut a lot of corners with in my opinion. When buying stuff, consider going second hand, where a lot of items go for cheap (and often in bundles). Facebook, Gumtree, and this forum all have avenues for finding all the right stuff.

    I'm no planted tank guru, but I do know that you don't absolutely need specialist soils to make it work (even if it does make the job a little easier). I'm sure someone will come along soon to highlight some lower-maintenance plants, and ways you can make a planted tank manageable on a budget.

    All the fish you mentioned can coexist, in terms of behaviour and water parameters. But bear in mind that most of them are schooling fish, meaning they'd be a lot happier in larger groups. In this sense, you just need to watch out that you don't overstock your tank in the pursuit of keeping all those kinds of fish. Rather slowly stock your tank and allow your system to adjust.

    Feel free to flesh out your ideas here, as there is a lot of experience between all the members here.

    Cheers,
     
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    Hi, and welcome.
    I did a cost estimation a few years ago on the different tanks I am running.
    It has been adapted to indicate the latest maximum electricity prices.
    A lot depends on the lights, filtration and heaters you are running, those being the electronic components of the tank that use electricity.
    Other than that, the only major difference between a 3ft tank and a 4ft tank is about 200-250 litres of water.
     

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    Pezulu is 100% correct ... and if you look at this calculation the biggest cost is heating. My fish room energy consumption was higher this year than last, main reason I upped several tank to a higher avg.
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    vs

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    This is for 14 tanks .. but very few heaters in them. Yes I only run heater in winter.

    Later Ferdie
     
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    @f-fish Have you considered converting you're fish room to a aircon unit.Im just thinking....would it not be cheaper to run a aircon to keep the whole room at x temp than 20 or so heaters.Ive never done the maths aircon vs x amount of heaters...maybe you can enlighten me whether its feasible??
     
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    Yeah - thought about it but the capital does not justify the move. Other thing all the tanks would be at a much higher avg temp, so more evaporation etc. I don't have 20 or so heaters, this year it was what 6 heaters. Mostly in the big tanks, they then help keep the room "warm".

    Below the room temp.
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    vs Lucky13 that had the heater set to keep the tank beweel think it was 21 and 22

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    vs 3ft that had no heater

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    now with an aircon set to 21 - 22 I will 1 have all the tank around 21.4 degrees most of the time and have much more heat loss with an open door or bad insulation in the room.

    I did run a PTC room heater for maybe 20 hours total this year ... just helped when thing got really really cold. But this was probably more for my comfort ;-)

    Later Ferdie
     
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    Hi Lee , I have done a couple low tech tanks with organic compost , top soil and capped with umgeni sand with decent enough results. See picture...sorry about the quality but used my phone camera.20181012_235326.jpg
     
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    I wish I could depend on on the land lord
     
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    Would Peat moss work for soil?
     
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    Will do thanks
     
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    I still looking at stuff at the moment, I'm considering getting only a few danios and the gourami and either one placo or Otto still.
     
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    Nice hope my one looks like this one
     
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    Also for landscaping is it better to have grass or moss?
     
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    Hi Lee and welcome to TASA :)
    All hobbies that grab you can run away and you end up spending more than you expected but there is reward at the end of the day.
    4ft is a bit more expensive than 3ft but a lot more space, do it!
    My 2c from personal experience; don't put a pleco (or any sucker) in a planted tank with PFS. They rearrange the furniture....
     
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    Ottos and the bristlenose plecos which stay fairly small
    My two bristlenose are always eithet munching away on the wood or the sides of the tank. I have never seen them rearranging the substrate
     
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