How to breed German blue rams. (my take)

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  1. Gbr guy

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    Good afternoon all.

    I thought of creating this thread as to give some idea how I breed my rams.

    I got home yesterday afternoon to another spawn of my alpha pair. This triggered the idea to take you with step by step what I do and why.

    I will start posting some fotos this evening of the eggs and suggest the process you should follow.

    I think to start off with is the water and tank setup.

    1. I use borehole water straight. I've conditioned all my breeding pairs to it. (can't stand tap water)
    2. No tank should be used that haven't been cycled for a good month or so. (my alpha tank is up and running for more than a year now)
    3. The more algae there is the better! They seem to love it
    5. Alot of plants!!!
    6. Matured drif wood (helps with pH down)
    7. Set your decor up in such a manner that there is plenty hiding places. (rams are nippy just before spawning) also stack the tank with some smooth pebbles these guys love to spawn on them.
    6. I use a cheap led light with red and white. Also I try to keep dim inside the tank. (choose wisely your plants according)

    Some tips:

    Stay away from meds in this tank! Maybe some salt if they flash but that's it. Also then do water change after 1 day.
    Rams don't handle meds well and will show you quickly with there colours.
    Live food are the best trigger believe it. Mosi larves etc frozen stuff seldom.

    The biggest tip is stay way from the tank. Rams spook easy and will gobble those eggs and wigglers in a sec. (unless you remove them)

    Will add some pics
     
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    Spawned on the 18th

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    Interesting, I will be following this one
     
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    What is the PH of your borehole water?
     
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    What do you do with all the fry?
     
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    Comes out around 6.4

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    At this stage keeping them to grow out. Want to give everyone a decent adult

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    Great idea for a thread, thanks!
    Temp at 28C?
     
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    Nope Temps running at 30

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    So here is some fotos of eggs I pulled on the 18th.

    I use same tank water to hatch them and grow them till they are free swimming fry.

    At this stage its all about patience. It takes 2 days for them to become wiglers. The a couple more for free swimming.

    I will start Introducing some baby brine and infusoria as soon as egg sacks are consumed. (side note get these foods ready before the spawn)

    Tip:
    Do water changes every day. Start with 10% and progress from there.
    Remove the stone with unhatched eggs. It will create ammonia in the fry box you don't want.
    I do add meth blue to help stop fungus
    Note my setup this works for me. It's a tank within a tank. Makes it easy to pull fry and check on them.

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    Will a guppy breeder box that attaches to the side of the main tank also work?
    One issue I have is that one of the breeding pairs would lay their eggs in a hollow on the substrate.
    The fry would need to be free swimming before I can attempt to transfer them, and by then it is usually too late.
     
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    I recon it would work just make sure they can't escape. Those holes in guppy breeder boxes are bigger than you wigglers.

    If they dig on substrate I would suggest putting in more flat rocks with a hide around it. See the foto[​IMG]

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    Great work @Gbr guy !!

    Awesome thread,thank you for sharing

    This is why the Forum is so great, this shared knowledge is recorded for others and future generations to learn from

    Just as a matter of interest, I also use borehole water on my tanks, my PH comes out at 7.5/8 though!
     
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    Thx M

    Mine does not sit in tanks. Comes straight out of the ground.
    Could be that it builds in your tanks

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    I have one tank but it services 3 houses so its filled daily
    Also water changes on our big tanks are about 2000l at a time so we pump as we fill and which ever way i test it always hovers around 7.5/8
    We have very hard water
    Fortunately the fish all seem to adjust to it and we havent had any problems
    Must admit I am to scared to fiddle with it as the rays adjust easily to different PH values and are happy and breeding, but PH swings which can easily happen when you adding chemicals to adjust it,can be deadly for them so i rather not upset the apple cart
     
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    Agreed

    Just goes to show the difference in water weather it's from council or ground.

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    So we have free swimming fry!

    Have been doing daily water changes and giving some infusaria and brine.

    Because they are in a smaal tank with no filtration keep a beady eye on water quality makes the world of difference to stop die offs.

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    Congrats @Gbr guy !!!

    No matter how many spawns you have its always exciting to have new babies
    There is a lot of them!!

    All the best with them
     
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    Hi all

    So it's been a couple of days since update.

    There was some losses to the school but plenty still going strong.

    I added some plant Matter for them to hide in.

    I'm still following same routine every day.

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    Sorry for the losses @Gbr guy

    But these little guys are growing nicely
    Those big eyes look too cute
     

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