HELP!! lyssimachia nummerlaria (creeping jenny) dieng

hey everyone so i was checking my plants today and my lyssimachia (creeping jenny) is looking really bad, alot of the stems have roted and the leaves are going yellow and then brown. i have 2 large clumps that were beautiful when i got them from the nursery. could it be that they where grown out of water and then put in water? i dont have a CO2 pump so could that be the problem? i do treat with fertilizers one i got from Daro i dunno if it works but im wary of putting to much in as im worried itll affect the fish. i also use a product from Bio Elite that puts back trace elements and not nitrates. can anyone advise? all the other plants are fine, i have anubias, amazon sword andsomething else with broad leaves and its all green and putting forth new leaves. its a mystery to me. i have a potting soil substrate weighed down with fluorite gravel which ill be changing in the next two weeks to fluorite sand i found a place that sells bags for R55 which is a bloody good price in my opinion

thanx in advance:bigsmile:

 

1
well if it was raised out of water then it isnt used to the conditions and that is probably why it is dying ..

2
the Co2 pump isnt absolutely needed to have a nice
planted tank.
3
a good plant fert is flourish excel if you can get your hands on some.
and it is working greatly for me.
4
do you have active carbon in you filter because that gets rid of the ferts that you put in.

i hope this helps
ps i am reaserching Diy Co2
and there is ome really interesting stuff plus it would cost under 80 bucks

 

thanx mc yeah i think there is charcoal in my new filter, its got one of those pads with a layer of filter wool and some charcoal in the back, not much mind you just a few small pieces, should i try take them out do you think? i didnt think the amount of charcoal would make much difference one way or another. i could add more ferts aswell. ill definatel try get some of that floourish excel, do you know much about the tetra ferts? i know one of the petshops near me stocks their products, they a bit pricey though so i want to know if they work before i buy them. what could i use as an alternative to the creeping jenny? could i use water sprite (Ceratopteris thalictroides) since my apple snail is now in the fry tank i could use some of it instead of the lyssimachia?

im trying to avoid making my setup too complicated, as it is i have so many wires and plugs its ridiculous, if im not careful ill break my neck when im busy cleaning the tanks lol

 

Hi Windfire
are u sure what u bought was an aquatic plant? since u say u bought it from a nursery . has it been growing in your tank for long? what temp is your tank at? i would take out all the AC it is a waste of time in a planted tank it doesnt do any good and once it is saturated it will start leeching unwanted stuff back into your water and it will remove ferts out of the water. Were did u get this Daro ferts from and why are u worried about putting them into your tank , did u get them from a LFS or the nursery? As for Flourish excell it isnt really a plant fert it is just a replacement for a CO2 system is a liquid form. I would recommend getting Ferts from the prof . His ferts are made for SA water and most ppl on the forums use it with great success. I use to use the tetra ferts and that just got to expencive. i am by no means an expert on plants so this is just my 2cents worth. I have had many plants just melt on me while others flourish , go figure. I hope u come right
thanks
antony

 

Flourish Excel is not a plant fert. It is a carbon source. The ferts include Flourish, Flourish Iron, Flourish Potassium, etc, etc.

Creeping Jenny is not a true water plant it's a terrestrial one. That's probably why it is dying off.

 

That sounds almost too good to be true. Are you sure it is Seachem flourite black sand?

 

NO WAYS!! Please pm me where you get it at that price!!

 

I would like the price of the Flourite and the location so I can buys some.

 

Guys when something sounds too good to be true...


Let the creeping jenny float for a while untill it starts sending out roots then plant it, its actually a very easy good looking plant but sometimes takes a while to settle into a new environment...

 

bugger i had a whole nice reply and it didnt post ok all again lol. yes lyssimachia is a terrestrial, ( 3 years at varsity a few things have stuck and my ma is one of those ppl with green fingers need i say more? lol) and i was extremely surprised when i found out you could put it in a tank i was glad though its one of my favourite plants though i prefer the green variety to the yellow in a tank. uhm fert is one for tanks and i got it from a local petstore im just worried about putting nitrates into my tank as im rather fond of my fish most of whom have names, yes im slightly mad lol my boyfriend just rolls his eyes when i tell this fish did this or that lol. will definately take the charcoal out then, had a incling id need to, my tank is at 26 degrees and its been in the tank about 3 months. do i get profs ferts on here? how much are they? i imagine the tetra ferts would get pricey thats one of my main worries. the creeping jenny does have roots on most of the stems phillfarm but the stems are rotting away at the base any ideas why?

ok the sand is not a seachem product and im not sure where they source it but still sand is sand right we paying more for the brand than the actual sand with seachem i think. if i tell you guys you gota promise to leave me some ok lol. its a pet store and bird park in wonderboom south in the same complex as Zeplins Night club if anyone knows the exact street name be my guest lol im terrible with street names i tend to go with landmarks. the bags about 5kg so it still would work out cheaper for me to buy the 2 bags i need or maybe one for my 40litre tank. by the way how many bags do you guys think ill need to give a good substrate?

i think thats it if iv forgotten anything my bad lol

 

Ha ha told you guys, too good to be true..

Windfire, Flourite is actually a really amazing substrate, not like normal silica sand/river sand that is inert, it is extremly high in iron and some other micronutrients but it is specially formulated not to leech into the water columb or to compact like normal substrates..

Ok, now from the symptoms you have mentioned(stems rotting at the base, yellowish leaves, "it should be that beautiful green you referred to" and roots at every node)
These are several problems that can be easily sorted out, the first is your lighting, it isn't strong enough or not the right spectrum/kelvin rating(I assume there is quite a large gap between the segments and the plant is growing straight up!?) second there is most likely an iron deficiency, you can add some nails to your substrate but you will need to dose..

Oh and why are you worried about nitrates, it is not that poisonous even at levels of up 2 40 parts per million even to sensitive fish.. You can contact prof Dirk via Pm or veegal/zafgak for his ferts if thats the way you want to go, otherwise do a google search on "Estimative Index" dosing..
Also look into pressurized co2 if you want your plants to do extra well...

Good luck..

 

im thinking about replacing the lyssimachia with watersprite and swords seeing as the sword i have is doing really well and maybe some more anubias. my apple snail has found a new home with the fry so he wont be able to eat the water sprite he liked to do that lol. i might replace the java fern aswell its so ragged its barely got any foliage left from all the pond snails, it seems to be their plant of choice lol they dont like the anubias.

if i use the flourite sand and add 2 nails would that help do you think? i had a look at the estimate index and its intriguing, i might do that its sounds simple enough to do and i tend to do a water change once a week anyway. i got a new addition on friday on of they guys came home with a white mollie that he'd bought for me, it seems to be a female and she looks pregnant shes actually very pretty though i wouldnt have bought her myself i couldnt say no once he bought it now could i? lol

 

i would take out the carbon straight away its just a waste of ferts if you dont
i would use prof dirk's ferts "they work amasingly" as people have told me
and love the look of the water sprite i would say go for it
for the Co2 idea you should look into DIY Co2 on the internet it is alot cheaper
ps
slagter i am getting some flourish products next month just dont have any money at the time
hope this helps

 

i did take the carbon out on friday and added more ferts, i had to cut the filter cartridge open and then stitch it closed again (oddest bit of sewing i ever id i must say lol) after i got the charcoal out. would the platys pick at the watersprite do you think? im thinking of getting another anubias for my piece of wood and then two water sprites to hide the front of the cave and give a little bit of hiding place around the rock and then maybe another sword or two for else where in the tank. i like the look of the swords and i thnk the watersprites will look cool with the darker anubias in the forground for accent one on the wood and maybe a couple of others around the base of the wood. do anubias do ok in a current? the design im thinking of now will put them under the outlet of my filter.

 

i think they would do better in a low current maybe get some flame or java moss to put un the wood they like current and no the platys wont pick at the water sprite
the rest sounds awsome put some pics on of the set up wonce you are done

 

As long as it's well rooted onto the wood, it would make no difference whatsoever.

Seachem flourite is rich in iron, so there is no need to ad nails to it, but what you're describing doesn't sound like flourite.

 

the substrate im going to get is black fluorite sand not from seachem though i cant afford seachem. its not got a company logo on it so im not sure where they get it from, ill probably go get my bag tomorrow. ill look into the moss thing again mc, not sure about java i hear its a bit invasive if its in optimum conditions

 

Flourite is just a marketing word that seachem made up and they hold the copyright. There is no other flourite. What you are buying is probably just normal black sand.