Endler vs Guppy

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  1. Zafgak

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    Can someone please tell me what is the definitive difference between a Guppy and an Endlers Livebearer

    Endler = Poecilia wingei (I assume)

    So far all I have is the following which may just be fiction -

    The dorsal fin on the Endler is much like an A shape whereas the Guppy is rounded or flowing !!!

    The Endler male only grows to max 25mm while the guppy gets to 50+mm

    The Endler has blue flourescent markings which are never found in Guppies

    Endlers never eat their young

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    Also have heard that if you cross Endler and Guppy - then breed out 3 generations the result is an Endler as it has dominant genes ( This sounds a bit fishy to me )
     
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    Both Poeciliidae

    common Guppy (Poecilia reticulata) - Distribution north of the amazon

    Enlers livebearer/guppy (Poecilia wingei) - found in Venzuela

    They are pretty much cousins a s far as I can see.
     
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    If you do ever get some Endler's, please try to keep them on their own and breed them as their numbers aren't that great at the moment, not to mention that a lot of their gene pool has been 'fouled' by the genes of regular guppies.

    Just to put my 2cents on your 'fictional' statements...

    1) From what I understand, Endler's dorsal fin is of a regular shape like you said, but it's hard to differ from the popular guppies, because their fins have been bred to all sorts of shapes, including that of an Endler.

    2) True

    3) Guppies have been bred to have some degree of fluorescence, otherwise any fluorescence you may find in a guppy may have been put there by artificial means (specialised diet or injection)

    4) Half true. Given the chance, and if they're hungry, they'll snap up a very small fry. But they're nothing like their cousins when it comes to eating their own fry.
    One of the 'reasons' behind this myth is because Endler's livebearers are so small, but larger females can definitely fit their fry in their mouths.

    5) No clue
     
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    Hey Gavin
    Pity Tyrone Genade is no longer on this forum. He would have been able to give you great insight as to the differences. Dirk will also be able to help.
     
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    Thanx Gilbert - I have rea my bum off and can't find the answers - hence the question

    Tanx Salmon - I have a line bred species which I am trying to determine what they are, Not able to confirm their origin.

    I will post pics later today
     
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    Will drop off a book on my rounds this morning.
     
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    Thanx Gilbert
     
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    Here are some pics


    So what is the Verdict -- Endler or not

    Fem1.jpg

    M1a.jpg

    M2a.jpg

    Fem2.jpg

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    M2d.jpg
     
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    what size are they?

    looks like the Sri Lankan version of the Endlers Guppy... had a whole bunch of these last year.

    Where did they come from?
     
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    Hi Dolphin _ Males are less than an inch and are fully grown, female is about 1 inch or so..

    sorry about 20mm for males and 25 -27mm for fems

    I got them off a guy who line breeds guppy's - he is not certain of origin.

    BTW - I am also getting Moscow Blue and Sunset line bred.....
     
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    I say Yes.
     
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    Thanx for the book Gilbert - Sorry was packing meat when you arrived

    You say YES - YES to what ????????
     
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    When they available, I'm in line:bigsmile:

    Yes it is an Endlers
     
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    size sounds rite... but they look very very much like the Sri Lankan Endlers which I personally dont favour as they messed up the endler line over there IMO...

    have a look at my tank here and you will see some the more typical Endler males...

    http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/showthread.php?t=180

    Moscow Blue are really nice!
     
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    Zafgak

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    A larger pic

    M1L.jpg
     
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    My verdict although it might not count for much is YES it is Endlers.

    Please keep the bloodline.I promise that i will definately buy a pair from u in Late November.
     
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    Zafgak

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    I will be Line Breeding these and the others as mentioned - Will take no chances of cross contamination :)
     
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    They look stunning Gavin. Difficult to give an exact name when unsure of the origin, but it does not deter from the beauty.
     
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    Thanx Rowland ;)
     

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