Camallanus worms

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  1. 2time

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    Hi guys,

    I am currently battling callamanus worms.
    Did not want to resurrect old threads. I have gone through most if not all of them and want to find out if anyone has gone through and beaten this type of worm.

    First saw a infected fish on sunday and have started to dose tramisol at 50ml in a 450l tank, for Monday, Tuesday and yesterday (Wednesday) and did a wc of +- 120l today and will start the 3 day dose again tomorrow.

    Currently there are 5 fish showing signs of the worms. Thought of putting them in a separated tank to dose and monitor. Any thoughts on this?
    Im not sure if it helped but I have already lost a angelfish and fear for the rest.

    I've read that someone on here had success with prodibio worms and parasites, will give it try if the tramisol does not work.

    Fish list is angelfish, cories, ancistrus, kuhli loaches, rummy nose tetras, betta and guppys. Tank is planted.

    Any help will be greatly appreciated.

    Keanan

    Edit: Plan is to dose another 50ml tomorrow and do another water change and treat for another 3 days with another water change on day 4. Ant thoughts on this? Good idea or not?
     
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    Wish I could help, but have no experience with the worms.
     
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    I would not move them to treat, but rather treat the orignial tank. There is a strong possibility the other fish have the worms, but are not showing signs of it yet.

    It's probably worth treating again after a week in case there are some eggs that hatch and a possible re-infection.

    Not sure if you can get it in SA, but Kusuri make a very good anti-parasitic medication.
     
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    2time

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    The other fish definitely have it too. The whole tank and everything it comes it contact with is infected unfortunately. the idea to move them was so that I could monitor them more closely, see exactly how long it takes for the worms to drop.
     
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    Haven heard of kusuri before but I'll ask around for it. From what I've read, some sites says the levamisole does not kill them but just paralysis them. Other sites says it does kill them, but not the eggs, they take about 2 weeks to hatch and infect the fish again.
     
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    Hope you never gain experience, this is something I wouldn't wish on my enemy. From what I've read it's the worst of the worst.
     
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    From Badman's Tropical Fish Forum. This is only part of a long article

    I also firmly believe in Panacur and I agree with @Reedfish that the whole tank must be treated
    Even with puppies Lavamisol is not as effective as Panacur and does not cover the spectrum of worms, giardia etc that panacur does

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    Through trial and error, he found a wormer that works.
    This wormer is Fenbendazole.
    So, he contacted an aquatic biologist friend, and they worked out a dosage.
    Dissolve 3CC of powdered Fenbendazole in 100ml of water.
    Mix well, then add as many bloodworms as you need to feed your fish. Soak for 30 mins to 1 hour, then dump the entire container in the tank, water and all.
    So, for 14.35 in cost, I picked up my Fenbendazole in powder/crushed form.
    The brand name it goes under is Panacur.
    I brought it home, and prepared the first dose.
    It seemed to really soak into the bloodworms, changing them to a slightly lighter and grayish color tone.
    I fed the fish 2x A Day for 2 days.
    I watched the affected fish carefully.
    Within 36 hours, all worms have withered and dropped away from the affected fish.
    Within 48 hours, I could find no remaining fish with Camallanus Worms protuding.
    I followed up with a good gravel vac and a large water change.
    I repeat this treatment in 2 weeks time, and then again in 2 weeks following if need be.
    I have enough medication to do at least 7 more doses.
    However, I dont think I will need it.

    It looks like finally, almost 1 year after it began, the nightmare is over.
    The fish and shrimp all responded well to the medication.
    The discus adopted some slight stress coloration, but nothing drastic, and following the water change are back to their happy perky blue selves.
    All in all, this wormer did a job well done.
    It was fun and exhilarating to see the worms withering away within only a few hours of the first dose.

    So, for all you frustrated and angered victims of the nightmare Camallanus, worry no more. Fenbendazole has come to the rescue.
    By treating all new fish in QT with a 2day dose of medicated food, you now can avoid infesting your tanks with camallanus worms. Best of all...Fenbendazole also kills larvae and eggs.
    So, in closing, I raise my head, and yell out a triumphant battle cry, armed with my bottle of Fenbendazole, and for the first time in a year, worm free fish.
    They are eating better, the thin, emaciated ones are already starting to plump up after a week of being worm free. I see no signs of reinfestation, and while hesitant to think its truly over...I hold my breath and wait. The camallanus worm has a 30day life cycle.... stay tuned for a future update as to whether the worms reappear or stay gone. And Rejoice.....it may be 1 small step for worm fighting, but it is 1 giant leap in treatment options.

    May you find your tanks too, healthy and worm free.
    Best of luck.
    TheGreatBlueDiscus - Koran Weston.

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    Quote from Badmans Tropical.
     
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    Thanks Maria, read that article too. Problem with medicated food is that not all the fish eat when infected/ have the symptoms. However will give it a try of the tramisol doesn't work. Also need to find quality bloodworms before I go that route.
     
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    What about soaking the flakes in the panacur?

    I also always use Seachem's garlic guard for any typre od parasite and that can be put into the water
    The garlic guard also encourages the fish to eat

    It works wonders for Ich as well
     
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    Flubendazole is the active ingredient of Kusuri,

    Incidendly, @MariaS, if you were ever to get some, it is not safe to use with Rays.
     
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    Just doing some reading.
    Not knowing enough about it but are Flubendazole and Fenbendazole chemically similar?
     
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    My one rummy nose (first infected from what I saw) have not eaten since infection took place, however took some food yesterday. From what I read camallanus worms built a resistance to most medication and only a few works. Some sites says panacur was the only thing that worked for them, some said levamisole and others used dovaworm. With the most success coming from levamisole, it was also the easiest to get my hands on as it is used to tread pigeons.

    I haven't used garlic guard in a while.
    I'll see what I can get my hands on this weekend. Will make a turn at the vet.
     
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    That I would not know.
     
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    Thanks @Reedfish

    I just read on another post that you can add Panacur to the water...
    1/4 teaspoon to 5 gallons?
     
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    Hmm interesting. Definitely better than relying on all fish to eat medicated food.
     
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    Never heard of that product, so can't say
     
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    Panacur is 22.2% Fenbendazole.

    I think it is available in the UK but could be with prescription only... Safe-guard is another name for it overseas
     
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    Panacur did not work for me, but seems like Kasuri did help I haven't seen any worms for some time now. Treat the whole tank and make sure you do a decent gravel vacuum after each treatment when you do a waterchange. It is a struggle to get rid of them because you think you got rid of them then they appear again stronger than before a few months later.
     
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    I had callamanus worms once before years ago and levamisole was the only thing that worked for me.
    give it a try if you can find it (maybe the vet can help)
    the dosage was only a few drops if I remember correctly
     
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    I see you also from Cape Town
    Ask Neil at Fish etc. if you don't come right
    He uses it at his facility
     

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