Blacklisted plants and fish

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  1. Zoom

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    I've just had an interesting conversation with my LPS store owner, who is a fish enthusiast himself, and suffers from MTS himself.

    This week all the petstores (about 160 were represented) had their annual conference... and they have found out some interesting facts about blacklisted fish and plants.

    Basically IMPORTED plants and fish that are on the list, may not be imported, BUT if the stock comes from a LOCALLY bread/grown source, and the source is willing to submit themselves to the authorities and prove that they are NOT smuggling in the fish and plants, they will be allowed to continue harvesting and breeding these fish/plants.

    Slowly the authorities are going to be blacklisting up to about 90% of the common tropical fish we all keep, and we therefore need to start looking at local breeding options more than importing.

    Did you guys know that the common guppy that 90% of us have in our tanks are actually illegal to import...? (Fortunately there is a very good chance that the guppy you have in your tank is locally bread!)

    Henk/Vee/Zaf... you got any comments?? You guys seem more clued up on the blacklist stuff than the rest of us.
     
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  3. Zafgak

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    I know that some of the plants - if locally grown - are free to be traded

    I will look into this ....
     
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    It's tough! I tell ya...


    No, I did not know that.....about Guppies

    Thanks for taking the time to get more involved in another, lesser known aspect of our hobby.:bigsmile:

    Your LFS owner sounds motivated, good for us all, in the long run!



    However, I have JUST received my LATEST import permits and can assure you

    Guppy is ALLOWED and thus on WHITELIST

    Copied from my documentation,

    Poecilia reticulata = Lebistes reticulatus



    HTH
     
  5. Henk Hugo

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    Zoom not sure where you got this info from but its bullcrap. Speak to the guys at DEAT who setups these lists and you will hear a completely other story. If a plant/anmail - be it water or land - is on that list it may not be trade, sold, owned, cultivated etc etc etc without the correct permits and these permits do not just get issued as these plants/animals is seen as invasive.

    The current the current Import black list that Dep Agri issues with the import permits is the stuff that you can not import but if they are not on the DEAT list then you can cultivate them.

    There is also not move from DEAT to black list any more fish - infact the current black list is 31 pages long and the new one 3 and a half. They have removed MANY MANY MANY species from the black list. Some amazing fish like the pike cichlids, sting rays etc will now be - hopefully - freely availible in SA.

    Why would they cut the black list down to just REALLY invasive species with world wide proven record of being invasive - eg snake heads. See the NatGeo program on FishZilla. The snakeheads invaded the Potomac(spelling) river that has got ice on it in winter! They come from THIALAND! they shouldnt be able to do that! There is another thread somewhere with the new black list on it.

    DEAT said the aquatic list wont change from the one published in the Gazette to the one that will be come law early next year. The only fish added to the list that has got ANY sort of impact on the hobby is the common and highfin plecos. Another fish seen and trade in the hobby a lot is the Weather loach which has always been on the list.

    Ask you LFS owner to take a look at Goverment Gazette number 32090, 3 April 2009, page 74 and on. Theres ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the new lists including reptiles, insects, fish, inverts, plants, etc etc etc

    I hope this clears a few things up...

    ps - slowly adding upto 90% on the black list.... no... its taken 2 years to get these lists out for public comment. Sanbi and DEAT set them up, issued the drafts to all the role players, got feed back, redrafted, published in the gazette, then got more comments and are now redrafting some of the lists. they did how ever not get ANY objections to the aquatic lists Gazette.

    The fish list is on page 82 of the Gazette in List 2 - List of Prohibited Species in terms of Section 67
     
  6. Slojo

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    Henk Termed as invasive species


    LOLLOLLOL- Wait a minute Henk.You are on there as well!
    :bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile:
    Hucho hucho (Huchen)
     
  7. Kribs

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    rofl!
     
  8. Henk Hugo

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    yup yup :D
     
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    That's for clearning up Henk... sounded a bit fishy...
     
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    Yea - maybe print out the draft list that was Gazetted and take it to him? They are doing away completely with teh whitelist that Liaquid speak about. So we dont have the issues that happens now at the airports. If its on the black list its illegal - thats it. no more yes but its not on the black list or the white list bla bla bla
     
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    LMAO .. this is good laugh for so early on a sunday morning LOL :bigsmile::bigsmile:
     
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    I really wouldnt worry about it too much. Even the people that constantly rant and rave about blacklisted plants and fish still continue to trade and keep them themselves.
     
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    Personally I think we have all kept something illegal and some of us still do, but we know what we are doing with regards to keeping or disposing of what ever it is so as not to have a bad effect on our environment, be it fish or plants.
     
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    True donny - but the problem comes in with plants like duckweed - no matter how hard you try it still comes back. Once its in a system its there... i have cleaned out my tanks so many bloody times and it just keeps on coming back.... i'm lucky that i have a compost heap for the stuff to go on along with my normal cuttings
     
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    That is true Henk some things just dont go away and thats just another reason for a tank full of dollars :) :) ... fresh food :)
     
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    my koi wont even eat it any more :D

    btw - koi and goldfish were going to go on that hazetted list but it was explained to them about the economic impact that it would have so they backed down from that one
     
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    Just tell people that keep koi not to flush them or dump them in our waters.I caught a koi in a dam and worst of all is that they interbreed with carp!:mad:
     
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    This is what i am talking about, if i have a fish that is illegal in this country and i need to get rid of it i will give it to someone that will look after it like i do not release it into the wild, that is were most of our problems come from. The same goes for plants either give it to someone or destroy it.
     
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    Kribs The betta connection

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    Worst I've seen....

    Bass fishing in Worcester....private dam.... 1 x BRIGHT orange Barbel...
    Barbel and Koi or Barbel and Goldfish....if that's even possible...
    Maybe they have a underground secret nuclear facility in Worcester...:blink1: I dunno but it sure was a site...
     
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    Hi Guys,

    Where can I find the most up to date Blacklist on both Freshwater fish and plants? I know about the one on the Rules and regulations page, but that thread is from 2008. I know I had the link a while back, but just can't seem to find it now.
     

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