bad lfs, bad bad lfs, name and shame ?

So I was riding to a bunch of different pet/fish/aquatic stores, looking for something specific (that couldn't fly), and came across some multie coloured (dyed) parrotfish, now the controversy (or not depending on your point of view) on the fish as a species rages on as is, but the addition of the fact that they have been dip dyed, is horrendous.



Now, what I would like to know, is if it would be possible to have a separate place just to list these stores, and what was wrong (offensive, immoral, illegal), so as to allow members the opportunity to choose not to go there as a result of the stores actions, I understand it is something which will require strict monitoring, and raises questions of both accountability, proof of transgression etc. I just find it frustratingly annoying that there is little else we seem able to do, and though it would be a drop in the ocean denying them my business, it's my drop, and I would rather it be in a decent, responsible, pollution free ocean.

Just an idea, not sure on its feasibility.

 

Sadly we can't name and shame because the LFS could take up legal action and we don't wan't the TASA site closed. All we can really do is talk to the owners.

 

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Later Ferdie

 

Surely just mentioning what a place actually sells does not constitute legal action? Obviously posting it under name and shame or "lfs to avoid" is a different matter, but if you were to post a thread: "dyed parrots", and in the thread "saw these at........" we can take it as a shame, and the people who don't care will take it as an advertisement..... surely no legal action could follow...

just sharing my thoughts....

 

Perhaps its time to petition the SAPTA board to take action?

 

Theres a thing in law called 'intent'.

 

I'm not sure where criminal intent would come into a civil case.....

 

Ok hang on a second here, there is nothing illegal about selling dyed parrots? Or have I missed the bus somewhere.
Morally yes there is a problem...
I have a couple friends that own LPS and frankly they don't care about the moral side of things "we need to make a living and if it sells then we sell it"

Yes there are a couple but not many... In fact a couple of them don't even know about the blacklist or claim not to know.

Ok but let's look at it from another side, we manage to take action, they close down all the shops selling illegal or morally wrong stock, the prices of our foods will increase and the suppliers are. It selling as much stock. The snow ball would be a bigger problem, as it is the prices on products are rather high any way.

 

Woah, slow down there just a sec @Lizid, my intent has never been to look for, or indicate a closure of the business, in my opinion if anything we need more stores, not less, to make the hobby (I prefer to think it a lifestyle) grow, it is simply to highlight the fact that certain stores are morally ambiguous when it comes to these things, and hopefully, pressure them in to discontinuing the practice.

There are plenty of fish species, and fish products, available, which have no morally reprehensible connotations to them, which can be sold. Additionally, and speaking purely for myself here, I am happy to drive a few extra kilometres (at times a roundtrip of over 300 km, though thankfully not to often), and pay a rand or two more, to support a store which is trying to do things the "right" way.

Please, this was/is not meant to be a witch hunt, it is simply a way to keep members informed, and perhaps, if enough prospective customers went to a store, and voiced their opinions, in a respectful manner of course, the store would decide to change how it does business, hopefully favouring longevity and return customers, over a one time happy sale, even more so when considering that few of these “modified” fish live very long, which in turn, will lead back back to a disgruntled consumer in many cases, and therefore, once again, a loss of future business.

No one has ever changed things for the better simply by doing nothing, and though I may step on a few toes (inadvertently), I feel this is something worth changing.

 

@nesretep Please pm me the name of the store so that I can add my drop to the ocean.

 

I don't see how TASA always worries about this legal action.

I visit at least six other forums that publicly name and shame any bad service (and good service) and have never had any legal action taken.

To the contrary, many of the named and shamed now have official representatives on those forums to deal with issues/complaints.


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It is quite sad and unfortunate that the very "leaders" of SAPTA are the people responsible for importing such fish...

With valentines this past week, many "I dont care LFS" cashed in on "parrots" tattooed with the words "I LUV U"... and yes many thousands were sold world wide.

This past week also, I came across dyed silver arowana, in bubble gum blue and strawberry red

Only educating the fish keeper will stop the sale of these fish because as long as there is demand these fish will continue to be dipped, dyed, injected, painted and tattooed...

 

:sick:

 

Yup looks like the same batch has distributed all over - saw some in a Durban LFS yesterday, about the same size as those photos. I would suggest SPCA involvement as with the fishbowl issue, but how it's possible to ban import of something just because it's dyed is beyond me...

 

Hence i said the board of SAPTA as a whole.

 

Unfortunately we are not like any other forum. Name and shame is actually stooping very low in my opinion.

 

Let me take you back to the SPCA petition regarding fish bowls and Goldfish!!!!! Double standards shown here. Did you also know they cut the tail out and then you have a heart shaped fish.
Parot is a man made fish and therefore I personally do not buy to sell them!
SPCA article also refers to the fish being able to express their natural behaviour!!! Do we find these colours in their natural habitat? They speak of freedom from discomfort! Do we know what discomfort this causes these so called fish, let alone the poor Arrowana? They refer to freedom from fear and distress! What is caused by doing this to these so called fish?

Let us not allow these double standards to arise otherwise who knows where it will go next. Get the SPCA to petition the banning of the importation of coloured fish as it is not natural.

 

I was browsing in a fish shop today and saw they had some nice-looking swordtails. I also saw they had some very ugly dyed, mutilated "heart-shaped" parrots. I asked the owner of the shop if she knew how cruelly these fish are made. She said she didn't know and would do some investigation as she does not condone cruelty to animals. Great! Good answer, so I decided to buy the swordtails. Just as I was leaving, after paying she stopped me and told me that the fish are not mutilated and their tails are not cut off, they grow that way - we had a little disagreement and I told her I would support her shop when she stops supporting cruelty to animals and got my money back for the swordtails and left...

My drop in the ocean.

 

+ 1 to you @Jenn....

 

@Jenn - Some people a just ignorant, border lining on plain stupidity. She should be dyed and tattoo'ed with the words 'I am a pig'!

To me this is the same as cropping dog's ears and docking their tails. And guess what... its been banned in 32 countries. So why cant this be done for these fish? Surely what is done to them can also be classified as unnecessary, painful and cruel!!!