Angelfish Breeding need advice.

Hey guys.

My angelfish laid eggs about a day ago, in an isolated tank. Here's a pic of the breeding pair.



Haven't had time to take photo's of their eggs, only had about 35 go infertile.
They seem to be good parents, they bred in the community tank about 4 times before I moved them to an isolated breeding tank.
Going through the parental motions well fanning the eggs picking off infertile ones. I really want to watch them parent, anything I need to watch out for?

Just want to know if I am missing anything.

Breeding tank info:

60L tank, 60% Community aquarium water, 40% fresh water, water changes of 20L every 3 days (100% carbon filtered, thinking of peat cycling?)
Water temp: 26 deg
Ph. 6.8
dh. 5-10
Nitrite 0
Ammonia 0
(Dropper test kit used.)
In tank air operated corner filter (not too sure if this is a good idea) has actived carbon, bioballs and 2 different types of filter wool.



Day one today, going to put Artemia-mix into culture on day five?
And what size tank will I need to raise the fry to a decent size? Pretty sure the 60L aquarium wont do...

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Dodger.

 

One thing I believe to be important is your tds levels, where abouts in jhb are you?

secondly it took my pair about 8 attempts to get it right, they now spawn every 8-10 days.

I would recommend at least a 3ft for raising, but more likely a 4ft (it all depends on the size of the spawn, and spawns to come)

If all turns out well, and they don't eat the fry, leave the fry with them for as long as possible, they grow so much better than in isolation.

Have you got microworms?

 

@spock rider are you back already?
If any one can give you good advice about breeding angels, Spock rider can!

 

one other question: what filtrer are you using?

 

I live in the Bryanston area. My water comes from Bryanston water tower. I have no clue what the tds levels are... nor how to test them.

I have wrigglers this evening saw them when I got home, some infertile eggs are mouldy, not sure how to remove them.
I am using a corner filter airpump operated one (actived carbon, bioballs, and two different types of filter wool)... I am not sure if it's the best idea.
Also forgot to mention they do have a night light. I gathered it as being quite important.
Definately will look into getting a 4ft, how long would you say I could keep them in the small tank? (I know it depends on the number of fry)

EDIT: I do not have microworms where can I get decent quality ones up here?

Thanks alot for the advice so far.

Dodger.

 

@ArtfulDodger, congratulations with the spawn!
A few things that I can advice on:
1. Good breeding tank size is preferably a cube with at least 100L water volume.
Having a larger water volume will enable you to leave the fry with parents.
2. Water temp to be closer to 28 deg. C. - the eggs will hatch quicker, and fry will also grow quicker.
3. Absolutely Baby Brine shrimp as first food! to feed for at least 2 weeks before adding something else, like Prof Dirk's Goldstar no1 etc.
5. Only remove the male (normally the larger one) if you see that he is eating the fry.

Good luck and let the Q's come!

Gert Combrink.

 

Thanks Gert

I have been watching them breed for a while the Koi Angelfish is the definitely the male, and he is much larger, much more aggressive. I will keep an eye on him once they are free swimming.
Will increase the water temprature now, haven't wanted to disturb them.
I will also look for a bigger aquarium on Wednesday for the fry.

I noticed the wrigglers rolling down the slate and the mother was placing them onto the mouldy eggs.
This morning most of the wrigglers are attached to the mould?
Still wriggling like crazy.

When should I culture the brine shrimp?

Dodger.

 

Your filter is fine, it will not suck up the fry, do not remove any mouldy eggs, you can come and collect microworms from me, I like to give them M-worms for the first few days and then obviously BS, when to hatch them all sepends on what brand you have! I would not worry about getting a larger breeding tank just yet, make sure they are not fry-eaters first.

 

Thanks spock rider!

Today the wrigglers are jumpers. The eggs are on the floor of the aquarium.
The breeding pair are particularly aggressive today too.
They are also keeping the jumpers together. (Catching them and putting them back on the floor)
I left the mouldy eggs thought it best not to disturb.

I have the Sera Artemia-mix claims it takes 24 hours to culture, high hatch rate?
When will I need the microworms by? Thanks I will definitely take you up on the offer. Will PM you closer to the time.

Dodger.

 

It seems, I am at the same stage as you with one of my pairs......they should be free swimming in the the next day or two.......this is when I will give them microworms and bs, I would start hatching BS soon, If you have a chance get some ocean nutrition BS eggs, trust me, you will not be dissapointed! Ill hold thumbs that the parents do not chomp as soon as they are free swimming.

 

The parents unfortunately did. But I got them out in time to save a decent number. The opportunity cost of university.

They have eye's and very tiny fins... Not all are free swimming but some are loving the tank.
I need to clean up of the floor after the parents. But there is still alot of fry down there, wriggling with eye's and all. Gonna have to wait and use air tubing?

Nice to hear one of your pairs is breeding too. My other pair is ready but no tank...
Started the BS culturing this morning. Hopefully ready by tomorrow morning.

 

Sorry to highjack thread man but my bro's angels have also laid eggs.
Can i just ask a few question- how many times a day do you do water changes and how much water taken out?
How many times a day you feed them the BS and MW
What colour must the eggs turn when they fertile?
Thanks i really appreciate it.

 

@matteffect I have been taking out 10l a day but I am stopping now till they all swimming. It depends how large the aquarium is.
I personally prefer to feed my fish less, more frequently and will do the same with the fry probably 3 to 4 times a day if I have time.
The eggs turn white if infertile and become mouldy.
You'll know in a day which ones are and which ones aren't fertile.

 

Ok thanks. Will keep you updated.

 

hi and congrats,a quick question do you use a ro unit to get your ph 6.8?