Advise on 4foot tank cupboard needed

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  1. koganm

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    Hi there Guys and Gals.

    Need some advise regarding a cupboard for a four foot tank.

    firstly, i saw a std 4ft tank with a cupboard and matching hood. The hood has abit of water damage and will need to be sorted out. Other than that, its in good condition. The guy wanted R1200. What do you think of the price?

    Lastly, the cupboard is split in half and i wanted to find out if it would be safe to remove the separator as i want to add a sump at the bottom. Would the strength of the cupboard be compromised at all?.

    Will try and post some pics although the quality isnt good at all.

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  3. Barry.M

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    Hi koganm Depending on the pics, it might be possible to mod the cabinet and install alternate bracing around your sump. The main thing you want is for the top to remain level and not sag in the centre. See if you can also post a pic of the inside top, where the sepperator is. As well as a full shot from the front with the doors open. Thanks.
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    Hi there. My cabinet has a removable brace - you just unscrew top and bottom, remove the brace and take out the sump. See if you can make something like this?

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    Thanks for advise guys.

    @barry here are some pics below. Bad quality as the guy is using a Blackberry.

    First pic is the inside of the cupboard with the separator
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    Damage on the Hood:
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    @Alfiebadseed,like the idea dude. Thx for the pic... BTW, what size piping are you using for your overflow?

    PS, he is giving me the tank with an internal filter, heater and gravel.

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    Thanks for the pics. Ok, it is possible to reconstruct the internal separator, it serves as a central support for the top, so is vital and stops the top from sagging due to the tank weight. If you remove the separator, you need to replace it with a support frame. You can buy a length of pine from Builders warehouse and make the support frame from it. When I get home this afternoon, I'll draw up a plan for you and post the pic.

    The separator usually acts as the door stopper, so the front bracing, like Alfiebadseed's frame, needs to be removable, as well as be able to act as the door stopper! The rest of the frame can be glued and bolted in permanently. Anyway, it's a very simple, but rock solid design that I've used before on my cabinets and all you'll need is access to an electric jig saw or a sharp handsaw, a few screws, a good waterproof wood glue and a phillips screwdriver.
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    Ok, here's a very rough sketch. Builders has 38 x 69mm or 42 x 69mm by what ever length you need. You can use either 38mm or 42mm width, that's up to you. It's important to make the steps at each end of the top beam, as this is a weight bearing joint. this method is slightly stronger than a straight butt joint.

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    Hope this helps and makes sense...
    Barry

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    Your a STAR Barry. Many thanks for your design above. I will take a drive to builders today and try and complete it today. Will post some pics when i am done.

    This is why i love this site so much :)
     
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    So i went to builders, got the stuff and executed the above plan and it works brilliantly. Check out the pics
    Thanks again Barry. +1.

    Also got some 40mm pvc pipe for my overflow. Would it be big enough?

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    That really looks great. Nice and solid. Well done...
    Sorry, can't advise you on the overflow as I've never had a sump filter. However I've built many filters before and always try having my filter outlet pipe at least double the diameter of my filter inlet pipe. I presume that the same would apply for your setup.


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    Thanks Barry, Yep the cupboard is solid for now but noticed that its made of chipboard so will coat with some woodoc just for extra protection

    Yes thats correct. Ive done some further reading and 40mm is perfect.
     

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