3 foot livebearer setup

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    So I thought I would post a thread about my classroom tank.

    I have a 3 foot standard tank with a built-in filter. The filter has sponge, stones, bio-rings and activated carbon. All run by a 400lph return pump, including a 150watt heater.

    Lighting is currently a 20watt T8 white light and I'll be adding another 20watt T8 globe for plants.

    The substrate is 20kg of silica sand.

    My plan is to create a planted tank with easy to keep plants such as Java Moss, Java Fern and one or two others.

    I'm planning to keep swordtails, mollies and platies.

    This tank is going to be used as an educational tool to teach children how to properly take care of aquarium creatures.

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    @Lowflyer, absolutely awsome!!

    You a STAR and we love you for your interest in educating the children at an early age... the foundations are laid forever

    The tand looks very, very nice

    Im abit confused though (as I cant make out properly from the picture) on how that internal filter is packed... my guy feeling tells me something is not right

    Is there glass between the black sponge and the ceramics?

    Can you post a side picture of the internal filter?
     
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    Should be good .. make sure you plant what can be planted and tie what needs to be tied ...

    Java and even anubias seem to prefer not being planted in the substrate.

    Also that thick a PFS ... might be a long term problem - all depends on what you are planning for the husbandry.

    Later Ferdie
     
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    HI there

    Not to worry, there are three drilled holes in the glass and the sponge is the first catchment.
     
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    I definitely will take all the advice I can get. My knowledge base is quite good with keeping fish, but the plants I have a lot of learning to do.

    Please explain further regarding the PFS.
     
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    Ok... That's what I thought but just curiosity, is there glass between the sponge and the ceramics so that you can take the sponge out easily to clean without removing the ceramics?
     
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    @Lowflyer7 ,

    Not criticizing your filter but just as a matter of interest and ease of cleaning if there is no glass between the sponge and the ceramics

    Below is the internal filter in my stingray pup tank

    The compartment with the three holes where the water goes in ( i have a piece of eggcrate as my rainbows kept going into the filter) houses the heaters

    The water then goes over the sponge on top and then through the ceramics to the pump compartment
    In this way, I can take the sponge out easily to clean or replace without disturbing the ceramics

    This makes it much easier to clean the sponge and ensures that if the water level drops due to the sponges getting a bit dirty, your heaters dont run the risk of having the water level drop and getting damaged

    As I said, just sharing a different way if its suitable in your case
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    A short update on the livebearer setup. So I have added another light. I am now running 2 x T8 20watt lights: one higlow and the other a white light.

    Picture to come soon.

    I have also added more plants to the setup.

    All fish are well and feeding flat out.

    My one question is: In my experience with livebearers, they don't stop breeding. Since I added fish, though, none of the males are attempting to mate with the females, instead they are chasing them. Any ideas?
     
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    Here's the Pic I promised :)

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    @Lowflyer7
    My experience with live-bearers is that the will reach an equilibrium if you can but it that way (as long as the environment allows it). Meaning they will reach a point where there will be no more fry because they will be eaten before reaching adulthood and once there is less adults there will be fry growing and taking its place, the equilibrium. The balance can change if there is more hiding places and so on, but it will still come back to a balance. Only thing to do is just check your bio-load once it has been reached, as it can crash down just as fast.
     
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    The tank looks beautiful.
     
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    That setup looks nice.
    Just remember that livebearers predate on their young, as well as on any other fry.
    You will need to provide sufficient hiding places for the fry in order for them to survive to a size where they won't be considered food.
    A great hiding space for fry would be a floating plant, like hornwort.

    The males chasing the females is in fact breeding behaviour.
    Unlike other fish like cichlids that display and court each other, livebearers are more a matter of "wham, bam, thank you Ma'am" type of fish.
    Any male will attempt to mate with any female, often crossing species lines.
     
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    It's not a matter of fry being eaten. There are no babies being born. I have kept livebearers since I was a kid, and one thing I can tell you that the males are not mating with the females. They are showing more terratorial behaviour and chasing them off. Very strange.
     
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    How many males and females do you have?
     
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    Tank looks very nice @Lowflyer7

    Could it not be that there are too many males for the number of females and this be causing the males to chase each other from 'jealousy'?
     
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    For each species:
    Swordtails = 1 male to 3 females
    Mollies = 1 male to 2 females
    Platies = 1 male to 2 females
    Guppies = (turns out one very young male is getting his colour) 3 males to 3 females
     
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    All livestock are going strong. Just one thing I noticed today is that one of my female platies is showing the tails of two camallanus worms! Anybody here treated a tank for this? My local LPS says they don't stock worm medication because it is a drug and only pharmacies can keep it.

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    Sorry to hear that @Lowflyer7 , its a pain

    I see you found the thread on worms, I have answered you there
     
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    So I have treated the tank with JBL Nedol to get rid of the worms. It is a 5 week process, so will see how it goes and if it works. While doin this, I made adjustments to my filter, which I think will work more effeciently. I added another bag of biorings, too.

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