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engelbma
16-07-2011, 15:10
:amazed: Got home yesterday and my Angels decided its time to start a family.
I do not have the space for a breeding set-up so It will have to be survival of the fittest this time around.
All I have is one of those net-breeding set-ups that goes into the tank.
Question - Will the net work for Angels? When do I move the eggs or fry to it?
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The male will eat the eggs if he is not taken out of the tank.
JulsM2908
16-07-2011, 19:56
no - the male will not eat the eggs....
what other kind of fish do you have in your tank?
I learned that the male eats the eggs and that was my first experience with angels the male ate the eggs.
Do a search for the profs post on the subject. Apparently the parents will both eat the eggs if they forget it is their eggs. You overcome this with the use of a night light, so the parents can see the eggs all the time.
The male will eat the eggs if he is not taken out of the tank.
Not necessarily.
Good luck with the spawn engelbma
JulsM2908
17-07-2011, 12:32
as far as my experience goes - the parents only eat the eggs if they feel threatened - or if they not entirely happy with the environment.
Normally, shortly after that they will lay again - and they will both protect those eggs and eventually the fry with their lives....
they will even fight you for them.
azurekoi
17-07-2011, 12:48
I've bred Angels ad nauseum - both sexes will eat eggs - especialy the first few times they spawn(Nightlights do help a LOT)
.... leave your guys be...often disturbances int the first few breeding phases can create a patern of serial egg eaters...just leave them be to "learn" how to become good parents... If this spawn fails,dont worry - 2 to 3 weeks from now they will try again...
Will the net work for Angels? When do I move the eggs or fry to it?
Do not use the net.
You should have wrigglers now or at least by tomorrow.
Be sure to feed BBS.
If you do not have BBS please contact me urgently so that I can help you out here.
engelbma
20-07-2011, 18:53
Thanks for all the advice.
Yip day 3 all the eggs were eaten.
They will have to learn in time how to be good parents like mentioned by azurekoi
Slojo thanks for the offer might just take you up on it in future.
Next year I move into a bigger place and yes that = a bigger tank then the current one will do for breeding only.
spock rider
20-07-2011, 19:55
So I have 3 pairs and all three pairs have now spawned 4 times. Eggs chowed everytime on day 2/3.....so the plan is to remove the male aswell and see from there, not keen to artificial raise fry yet.
Raising Angel fry artificially is not that big an issue.
It is actually very easy.
Next time when you have eggs give me a tinkle.
Just remember that hard water will cause eggs to become infertile. They might be eating them because they were not fertilized.
Dirk Bellstedt
20-07-2011, 22:41
No Slagter, the hard water does not cause them to become infertile, they will be perfectly fertilized, but because of the hard water the eggs cannot develop.
In a different thread I have stated that the water in Gauteng is no longer suitable for sensitive fishkeeping and particular soft water fishes will be influenced and angels are one of these. So unless you use some or other technique to soften the water (for example RO) you can just about forget breeding these fishes in Gauteng.
Kind regards,
Dirk
Hi
Dirk Bellstedt
Just for interest sake Prof Dirk. As far as Gauteng's water is concerned, I agree that we heve vastly different area's with different water sources, but in the past three weeks I have had numerous Discus eggs hatch, at an estimated 80% hatching rate, in pure Pretoria tap water. So though I can agree that water in some areas are bad, its definetly not the whole of Gauteng.
Regards
Marco
spock rider
21-07-2011, 07:56
Prof Dirk
Please comment.
There is a school of thought/idea that says the fish will adapt over time to water and therefor eggs will start hatching. some have mentioned you need 6/7 attempts before the eggs will hatch.
In my case the eggs are fertile as I can see areas in the eggs darkening on the second day. I have also noticed the female getting uptight with the male after time as he goes near the eggs.
Dirk Bellstedt
21-07-2011, 08:03
Hi Cobus,
Angels have already adapted massively to harder water in any case, but I have seen the sulphate levels in Gauteng water (as a result of the mine runoff) and they are far too high, that is the point I wish to make.
What you also describe about the female becoming aggressive with the male is fairly normal, you often get this aggression in angels, and bad parenting behaviour is common in angels because most are raised without their parents in any case. I have wild type angels that raise their fry fantastically, but I also have black angels which fight when they have fry.
Marco, I agree that there is variation between the water from different areas in Gauteng, but the water analysis supplied by Randwater is cause for serious concern as far as I am concerned and for sensitive fishes, the warning lights are on.
Kind regards,
Dirk
Kind regards,
Dirk
spock rider
21-07-2011, 08:06
Dankie oom
My Angels spawned yesterday. I am rather surprised, as I bought them about a month ago from Petstop and azurekoi told me they are very young and should not spawn for quite some time.
So it is to be expected that they will bungle things up a bit. I feel so sorry for them. Somehow they are trying to clean the eggs or something, but the eggs come loose and then the 'female'? catch them and try to spit them back with the others. Obviously the cord is severed and it just falls down again. So this goes on and on and on. I saw her just now blowing a mouthful of eggs on to the post, but they all just fall again. You should she her spark to collect them all again!
So I suppose they will realize it is a losing battle and start eating them.
Well, as expected, all the wigglers is gone. When I changed the light tonight, from main to nightlight, the one adult immediately went to the wigglers and picked them off, one by one. When he/she was done, he/she blew them all out of his/her mouth, back to where they were, just to fall towards the substrate. He/she frantically tried to gather them, but of no use, as every time they get spit out, they fall again. So, they are all gone now.
Hopefully it will go better with the next spawn.
OK, not all is gone. There is a few left, say 10. The question now is, what do I do tonight, in order to not get the same reaction? Leave the main light on? Or distract their attention by feeding them and while doing it, switch lights?
OK, not all is gone. There is a few left, say 10. The question now is, what do I do tonight, in order to not get the same reaction? Leave the main light on? Or distract their attention by feeding them and while doing it, switch lights?
Come on guys! What to do?
Dirk Bellstedt
24-07-2011, 22:08
Hi Tom,
You can leave the light on, but this is no guarantee whatsoever that there will be any success.
Angels, just like discus, need to learn how to get the breeding thing right and if they are a young pair they will make their mistakes, but they should also get it right after a second try.
I think you must just leave them and then see what happens.
Kind regards,
Dirk
OK, will do. Was just worried that it might be bad to give them a non ending day or more.
If nothing comes of it, it is also fine. I did not plan for this in any case. If a few gets to the free swimming stage, when do I have to start providing BS? I have not started prep for that yet and must go read again how to do it. I do have eggs.
Thanks Prof.
I have now read a few threads on the subject. Seems like the parents can move the wrigglers? How do they attach them to a surface again? As mentioned in a previous post, I have seen the female trying to do this, but did not succeed. They just bounce off the surface and fall to the substrate.
Angels is currently laying eggs again. But are they stupid! As the male try and fertilise it, he brushes more off than what he fertilises. As the eggs is brushed of by the male, they eat them. Oh well, we will see. Maybe at the end there is a few eggs.
They are using an Amazon leave this time, as I covered the filter pipe they used last time in a silk stocking.
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