Unfiltered tub pond

[Oscar]

Hi I setup a round pond 1.7m wide by 50cm high.
I am also going to put a piece of shadecloth over it.
It has no filter nothing.
I want to now must I put plants in and should I put gupies or platies(wich one multiplies quicker).
must I feed them, must I change the water and any ways I can improve this.
(its above the ground)

[larch]

http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/showthread.php?4543-Unfiltered-Tub-pond

[Oscar]

but if I add 3 females and 2male guppies how many fish would there be
after 6 months

[Cheetah]

Hi I setup a round pond 1.7m wide by 50cm high.
I am also going to put a piece of shadecloth over it.
It has no filter nothing.
I want to now must I put plants in and should I put gupies or platies(wich one multiplies quicker).
must I feed them, must I change the water and any ways I can improve this.
(its above the ground)

Guppies multiply at tripple the rate of Platies, (if those are the only ones' you're considering - i.e. Swords and Sailfin Mollies fetch a better price)...
A filter is not essential, but you have to do at least a 70% water change every week..... The shadecloth will be exclusively to keep out the dragonfly and King Fishers. Plants are essential... especially if you're not going to put filtration in there. You definitely have to feed them. In a larger set-up (as you mention).... one male will be enough for 4 females..... If you provide ample hiding space in the form of floating plants and thickets.... you can expect to have around 300 guppies in 6 months, of which (around 10%) 30 will be adults.... After that, they will increase exponently in the next 6 months and then... go haywire.... so even before you start... make sure you have a market for them.....

[TankMaster]

I have 4 female guppies and just one male and have around 40 babies so far.

Lets assume each female has 10 babies every 28 days / month

You will end up with -

month 1 - 40 babies

month 2 - 40 babies and 40 juveniles - 80

Month 3 - 40 babies and 80 juveniles - 120

Month 4 - 40 babies and 80 juveniles and 40 young adults - 160

Month 5 - 40 babies and 80 juveniles and 40 breeding adults and 40 young adults - 200

okay assuming that all your Breeding adults in month 5 are female they can each have 10 babies each so that's another 400 excluding the 40 regular babies from your initial pair and 120 young adults . . .

Month 6 - Around 600 . . if you got this far . . you have now lost track of how many you have.

[mydummyname]

Month 6 - Around 600 . . if you got this far . . you have now lost track of how many you have.

and i think in a greenwater tank the survival rate of fry is even higher, seeing as the adults cannot see the fry for all the algae?

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Hi I setup a round pond 1.7m wide by 50cm high.
I am also going to put a piece of shadecloth over it.
It has no filter nothing.
I want to now must I put plants in and should I put gupies or platies(wich one multiplies quicker).
must I feed them, must I change the water and any ways I can improve this.
(its above the ground)

is it warm enough yet for you to introduce fish?

i suggest loading up on hornwort, this will oxygenate the water with no problems, also it will deal with ammonia, nitrates etc.

[TankMaster]

I don't know. I have the mutt / wild strain guppies (that are going to be feeders or give away fish) and they dont seem to be eating any fry.

I know the one male is having fun with the 4 girls. I only had them for a month now and I have around 40 babies. If these fish keep up the breeding, I could be looking into a 600 stock problem.

TM

[Oscar]

and i think in a greenwater tank the survival rate of fry is even higher, seeing as the adults cannot see the fry for all the algae?

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is it warm enough yet for you to introduce fish?

i suggest loading up on hornwort, this will oxygenate the water with no problems, also it will deal with ammonia, nitrates etc.

Will java moss be all right

I have 16 guppies breeding and about 30 fry and my guppies are getting spots on there tail and are getting more coulerful (the adults)

[mydummyname]

Will java moss be all right

I have 16 guppies breeding and about 30 fry and my guppies are getting spots on there tail and are getting more coulerful (the adults)

i wouldnt go with java moss, it grows best under subdued lighting from what i've heard and also that it uses up a lot of oxygen at night without the same amount of benefits in waste control....

how long have the guppies been in there?

[Oscar]

A year

and must I change 70% of the water for an extreme ex breeder said you must just stir and take the algae out with a net

[mydummyname]

the people who do green water tubs dont do water changes.. and they leave the algae in the water.. i've started a green water experimental tank and you can even see the O2 bubbles rising from the algae that sits on the gravel at the bottom.

that tank is completely saturated with oxygen and there is no ammonia and nitrates etc

its just very murky

see here http://www.guppies.com/forums/showth...ht=green+water (http://www.guppies.com/forums/showthread.php/green-water-miracle-14527.html?t=14527&highlight=green+water)
and here http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/showthread.php?4543-Unfiltered-Tub-pond/page4

[Oscar]

thanks going to put some platies and guppies but dont now if they can breed together any ideas

[mydummyname]

thanks going to put some platies and guppies but dont now if they can breed together any ideas

you think its warm enough to put fish in already?

my tank still drops to below 16 deg sometimes.. and i'm in the cape..

[Oscar]

The waters is not that cold and dont need heaters in there tank

[TankMaster]

Okay, I breed feeder guppies and starting on ornamental goldfish as a beginner. Even though guppies can handle 18*C . . . I have a heater set at 28*C (high temperature to compensate for outdoor cold). The tank is a 3ft green water tank with hornwort and a 100w heater.

I have noticed tall algae growing from the bare bottom and it fizzes!! Green water oxygenates the water like you wouldn't believe!

My point is, feeder guppies/endlers don't require such great treatment but I go the extra mile, you get higher fry survival rates. 2 of my females are yet to drop and I am sitting with over 40 fry for this month from just 2 females.

I bred mollies previously. Awesome fish but fussy breeder (Believe it or not). I had my 80L tub unfiltered and unheated in the winter. The females dropped fry but they died shortly because of the weather. I later had to give away the 50+ mollies because I had no space.

Attempting the outdoor introduction at the wrong time, could prove fatal for the fish. Some will stop eating, some will just die and some will change their sex from female to male (Swords and Mollies).

Breeder boxes isn't the answer and I find that I have bigger, healthier drops with a 3 foot tank.

bees will also agree on this.

Just wait a bit. Don't rush. You can probably have success (without a heater) in mid October but not now. South Africa's weather system is up to crap.

Select your breeders carefully. Some wont breed until a year of age and others just wait to get at it.

TM

[mydummyname]

and anyway.. mid october is only about a week away ;)

[Oscar]

I will wait but going to just put fish in the pond once is green and do nothingbut leave them for six months will that be all right

[TankMaster]

Yeah. Just feed them though.

You need lot's of light to start up a green water tub so place it out of the shade.

[mydummyname]

i wouldnt even bother feeding them, they could probably feed of the insects that fall in and filter the algae through their systems..

[mydummyname]

ok so far i've been monitoring minimum water temps.. late in the evening (11pm) water is still about 22deg and in the morning (7.45am) its at about 18deg. last week the minimum temps were lower than 16deg. going to see what the minimum temp is going to be with the cold front coming tomorrow and friday, if it doesnt drop too much lower than the 18deg, i might add feeder fish for my polypterus. probably guppies and zebra danios.

the tank is under a shaded carport type structure and only gets a few hours sun in the morning.. idont know how much that affects temperature.

if its stays consistently like this you could start adding fish from next week i think Oscar..