View Full Version : Zoom's Angel breeding set up
I've had a pair of angels that have paired off for about 6 months now, and have spawned like clockwork every 8-10 days. Being in a community tank has resulted in ZERO success.
At first the parents would eat the eggs before they even had a chance at survival. They've now learnt from their bad habits that possibly eating them will not pass on the necessary genes to creates the little angels they are trying to achieve.
The last 3 spawns have made it successfully to the wriggler's stage, and even once they were just beginning to be free swimming.
But alas, in the community tank, the chances of survival are next to nothing. Yesterday evening I did my water change on the big 4ft tank, and after much discussion with the other half, she agreed to let me set up the small tank to try and breed the angels a little more successfully.
So a 50litre tank has been set up; 50W heater @ 27deg, filtration at 200litres per hour through a filter in the hood (containing filter sponge and seeded ceramic rings from the big tank), and an airstone for effect. They have been given a slate that is resting on some suction cups to breed on (altho they usually use the filter or glass), as well as some plastic plants and a terracotta pot for visual effect. I've decided not to go with any substrate, (to make cleaning easier), and hence the plastic plants.
Here is a full tank shot:
http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/picture.php?albumid=106&pictureid=533
The male:
http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/picture.php?albumid=106&pictureid=534
The female:
http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/picture.php?albumid=106&pictureid=532
I will keep you updated and posted on when things start to happen...!
(P.S. Can anyone tell me what Angels these are?)
Gee Zoom good luck with the Angels hope you have babies soon. Those are nice looking Angels don't know what kind though.
When i came home tonight all hell has broken loose in my Angel tank, the two biggest ones are chasing the other three all over the tank, they don't seem to be guarding any specific area and they also aren't worried about the cories its just the other Angels getting chased and nipped do you think that they are maybe getting ready to spawn. Sorry didn't mean to hijack your thread.
It's possible that the 2 biggest ones have paired off. Me female is substantially smaller than the male.
How big is your tank? Have u got any large leafed plants for then to lay on?
Feed the very well for a few days, and do a few waterchages with water that is colder than your tank water... This should cause them to spawn pretty soon.
My tank is a three foot with lots of plants and big flat rocks. I'm feeding them a good variety of food, and i will do the water changes as you suggest. Thanks.
Hey Zoom!
Nice lil' setup there!
Hope it gets you the success you are looking for!!
Just one question, have you got permission yet for the 1.2m growout tank you'll need after they survive the fry stage?? hehe! Good Luck!!
Cheers
G!
Gert Combrink
08-03-2010, 10:15
Zoom, nice setup! Hope you have some brine shhrimp eggs to start when they have wrigglers. The angels look like Silver angels. Do the show some vertical stripes?
Gert.
Hi Zoom
Awesome looking!! Those are really beautiful angels also. Good luck :blink1:
wow man that looks amazing !....good luck and keep us posted on those babies
Hey Zoom!
Nice lil' setup there!
Hope it gets you the success you are looking for!!
Just one question, have you got permission yet for the 1.2m growout tank you'll need after they survive the fry stage?? hehe! Good Luck!!
Cheers
G!
Um... No. But I'm waiting for the babies to actually hatch, and for the wife to see them and get all cootchie coo... then the grow out tank will come.
Zoom, nice setup! Hope you have some brine shhrimp eggs to start when they have wrigglers. The angels look like Silver angels. Do the show some vertical stripes?
Gert.
Yep, they get dark vertical stripes when they get aggro, or protecting
get all cootchie coo... then the grow out tank will come
I like the way you think :blink1:
It worked when the guppies started breeding.
And they have spawned...
But I did mention they were stupid... and they didn't use the slate... they used the uplift pipe for the pump. Hehee. Fortunately the bottom is covered with a stocking, so they shouldn't be sucked up the pump.
I have a slight problem in that a lot of much gets traped on the stocking, thus inhibiting the flow of the water, so the filtration drops a bit... now I can't do anything about it.
http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/picture.php?albumid=106&pictureid=538
MTS! MTS! MTS! MTS! MTS! MTS! :eek: :push: :eek: :push: :eek:
Good luck! Holding thumbs for you :blink1:
very nice Zoom!
you should rather change that internal filter for sponge filter and airpump... sponge filter will provide some goggas for the fry to feed on and more importantly it will not suck up the babies/eggs...
Yeah, I was thinkin of doing that Dolphin.
I was still in 2 minds about leaving these angels in the tank. They seemed pretty stressed out for a few days when I moved them from the big tank to the breeding tank. I was going to give it a week, because they were "due" to spawn again this week. And if they settled down, I would have changed the hood filter to a sponge filter.
Just gotta go past a LPS and grab one. But it's no good that they laid the eggs onthe flipping pump, because now I gotta leave the pump in the water for the eggs.
How long should I leave the old filter on before I turn it off... I mean obviously the new sponge filter would need to become extablished, wouldn't it? Or can I immedietely introduce the sponge filter and turn off the pump?
Maybe add a air stone to help with water circulation.
Maybe add a air stone to help with water circulation.
Donny, if you look at the first picture, you will see a whole bunch of bubbles coming up from behind the slate. There is an airstone in there.
you're going to have to keep the filter in there while the sponge becomes populated with bacteria... atleast 2 weeks... it will speed up the process if you add some type of bio filter start products - just read the instrcutions carefully if you do.
Yeah, I was thinkin of doing that Dolphin.
I was still in 2 minds about leaving these angels in the tank. They seemed pretty stressed out for a few days when I moved them from the big tank to the breeding tank. I was going to give it a week, because they were "due" to spawn again this week. And if they settled down, I would have changed the hood filter to a sponge filter.
Just gotta go past a LPS and grab one. But it's no good that they laid the eggs onthe flipping pump, because now I gotta leave the pump in the water for the eggs.
How long should I leave the old filter on before I turn it off... I mean obviously the new sponge filter would need to become extablished, wouldn't it? Or can I immedietely introduce the sponge filter and turn off the pump?
Gert Combrink
11-03-2010, 12:25
Then they could have serious Rio Negro / Peru - strain in them, and is known as the
Silver Scalare. The males are always bigger than the females. When you buy some, don't always take the biggest of a batch, as you will miss the young colourful females!
I got my first pair from the Prof, and have about 20+ angels. I have about 4 breeding pairs
and have supplied many of fellow members and local Pet shops!
Gert Combrink
11-03-2010, 12:41
It is advisable to replace the stocking with a sponge on the filter's intake.
Most of my HOB and powerheads, have a big sponge on the grill of the intake.
Besides not sucking the fry in, the other advantage is that the filter-cartridges stay clean for a lot longer!
I now and then switch the filter off, and clean the intake sponges under a tap, as all your backteria are in the main Bio-filter, and the intake sponges are used mainly as a mechanical filter!
Hope this helps, as one can never over-filter!
Gert.
Then they could have serious Rio Negro / Peru - strain in them, and is known as the
Silver Scalare. The males are always bigger than the females. When you buy some, don't always take the biggest of a batch, as you will miss the young colourful females!
I got my first pair from the Prof, and have about 20+ angels. I have about 4 breeding pairs
and have supplied many of fellow members and local Pet shops!
Yep, then I am pretty convinced that they are silver scalare, as the female is a LOT smaller than the male. They are lovely fish... and real characters.
It is advisable to replace the stocking with a sponge on the filter's intake.
Most of my HOB and powerheads, have a big sponge on the grill of the intake.
Besides not sucking the fry in, the other advantage is that the filter-cartridges stay clean for a lot longer!
I now and then switch the filter off, and clean the intake sponges under a tap, as all your backteria are in the main Bio-filter, and the intake sponges are used mainly as a mechanical filter!
Hope this helps, as one can never over-filter!
Gert.
Will the sponge not be sucked up into the pump with time? I've just got back from the LPS with a new sponge filter. Will put it into the tank this evening, and will take the submersible pump that feeds into the sump in the hood out in 2 weeks time.
As I've said before, my plan was to get the sponge filter in if they settled down... which it didn't look like they were doing. But they seemed to have settled down literally overnight and spawned sometime yesterday. So they caught me with my pants down...
One can also leave a piece of lettuce in a glass jar full of water in the kitchen for a few days, when the water turns turbid you can siphon it off and feed your babies locally. Apparently hardboiled egg yolk minced up and mixed with water also works
An excerpt:
Infusoria- Infusoria are microscopic creatures who live primarily in green water. They
are and excellent first food for very tiny newborn fry.
We made our first batch of infusoria by placing a piece of wilted lettuce in a gallon jar
with aged tank water, which was placed in direct sunlight. You can use a starter culture
or Jungle brand Little Fry Formula to get you started. Within 48-72 hours you should see
a milky cloud develop in the water, this is your infusoria colony. (Don’t trust yourself?
Check it out under a microscope.) Two tips, always use dechlorinated water and never
use a metal container to grow infusoria. As long as there is ample vegetable food
(green water works best), you should be able to maintain the colony indefinitely.
Infusoria can be fed by using a small siphon or basting bulb to remove about
tablespoon of infusoria laden water. Adjust feeding to size of fish, and be careful
not to over feed. It is better to feed small amounts more often, so as not to cloud your
tank’s water
Gert Combrink
11-03-2010, 17:35
I've seen this quote somewhere... old literature/book perhaps?
Can I use a plastic container? Must the container be open, or must it be sealed?
I got the lettuce, by my lovely dear wife didn't manage to find any glass jars.
How much is a gallon?
We have millions of jars, come take your pick.
imperial gallon = 4.55 litres
us gallon = 3.786 litres
I've always used a large unsealed mayonnaise jar, but I'm sure plastic will suffice :)
Hey Zoom. Those angels are awsome. Whats the update on the spawn.
Still eggs at this stage. A few gone white, but nothing unexpected.
They still going well.
On the infusoria side. What I did Zoom was to use some of the fish tank water in a Jacobs Coffee glass pot and added the lettuce to that. Let it sit in the window for a few days and you'll see the water change.
Then what I did was to take a piece of air tubing and made hole in the screw top of the Jacobs pot. (Make it a bit smaller than the air tubing so the tubing can't slide out.)
Get yourself a stainless steel air tube "tap" and start your siphon with the tap open to full and close the tap more to give you max 5 - 10 drops a minute.
This way you'll feed them the whole day and don't need to worry that they might go hungry.
Geez that is s really great idea +1 ACE007
One that i think we could all adapt to suit our needs and i'm sure will be put to good use.
One questune does the infusoria have to stay in sun, or once its setup can you move it.
@Bauer - the infusoria feed off the algae, so probably best to leave it in the sun to maintain good food production
Thats true, was just having a blonde moment thanks McAnix.
Gert Combrink
12-03-2010, 09:48
Zoom, you will notice that the parents "mouth" the eggs.
They are in fact cleaning them,and they will remove some of the white ones, as they pinch them, they in fact burst like a rotten egg.
They also remove some fungus and in fact it may look like they are eating the eggs.
Don't worry, this is pure instinct and they will get the hang of it in future spawns.
Good luck and keep us updated!
Gert.
Yeah, I've watched them clean.. they just not that good at the moment. Often ignoring the white ones, and often the fungus grows quiet badly. This time seems to be better tho... no fungus yet.
Got home 20 minutes ago.
All the eggs have VANISHED. And mommy and daddy look like they are very full!
Oh Well... Better luck next round.
Damn!! Well start your Infusoria so long and see if you get it right. :blink1:
Yeah, it is going so long. Just an attempt to see if I can do it.
Gert Combrink
14-03-2010, 18:22
Look carefully!
Are there no wriggles somewhere else?
The parents sometimes move them to a secluded spot or where is a little water-flow.
Nope they definately all gone. Not surprizing tho.. these parents are a little on the more stupid side of the scale.
Damn thats to bad, hope you have better luck next time.
This gives you a chance to sort the filters out though.
Yeah.. that's my plan. Had a but of a busy week. But with the addition of the sponge filter and the Nutrifin Cycle this week, I recon the sponge wilter is ready to handle the load on it's own now. Will do a small w/c this evening, and take out the old pump. They showing signs of spawning again... (cleaning leaves, glass, filter) and changing their colouring rather rapidly when they see the other angel in the tank next to them come too close.
The only way I can say this properly is
"Oh $hit!"
I got home this afternoon and decided it was a good time to syphon the waste at the bottom of the tank, take out the pump, and do a 15% w/c!
I fiddled in the tank for over an hour cleaning the glass, vacuuming the bottom, and I even re-arranged the plastic plants to make it easier for the angels to spawn on next time.
I noticed the angels were very aggressive towards me, and were not too happy with me fiddling in their tank.
I was sitting on my pc now typing up another thread, when I noticed the angels were spitting something onto the plastic leaves, and were very irritated with the new thermometer I put into the tank to check if the heater was working. On closer inspection... I've got flipping wrigglers that look like they gonna become free swimmers in a few days!!!!
The angels had in fact moved the wrigglers off the pump downpipe to a more seculded spot as Gertjc had mentioned to me earlier!! So I'd HATE to know how many I accidentally syphoned up, or disturbed by pouring in 12 litres of water. My wife recons we have about 20 in the tank... which to me is actually more than adequete for me right now.
I've also just noticed that my (blush) WINE bottle that is sitting on the balcony with the lettuce leaves in has turned milky... so I've got some food to feed them too!
Unfortunately I cannot take pictures at this very moment, as the female is constantly getting in the way, and my "mik-'n-druk" digital doesn't focus that well.
Now I is feeling like I is very dof-like!
Don't worry to much with the missing ones. Test yourself with the remaining fry as a learning curve :blink1: There will be plenty more to come.
Here is what I did with the Jacobs pot and air tubing. Worked for me when I had my first batch gourami fry.
Just don't close the lid to tight. Otherwise the siphon will stop
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9825/p1120728.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1926/p1120729.jpg
Thanks ACE... your encouragement was appreciated.
Yes, your syphon set up is exactly what i plan on doing the moment hey become free swimming. Might look a bit funny with a wine bottle syphoning into the tank...heehee. Gonna have to get in touch with DOlphin this weekend for the decapsed BS.
nice :blink1: good luck getting them all "grown up"
nice :blink1: good luck getting them all "grown up"
Thanks ace
Congrats that is great and your infusoria is ready too, good luck.
I took your advice and did a water change with cooler water in my Angel tank since then they have been cleaning the glass in the one corner of the tank so hopefully they will spawn soon.
Anyways i hope your wrigglers turn free swiming soon, maybe theres more left than you think.
Congrats surrogate daddy! Glad you didn't suck completely ;)
Congrats that is great and your infusoria is ready too, good luck.
I took your advice and did a water change with cooler water in my Angel tank since then they have been cleaning the glass in the one corner of the tank so hopefully they will spawn soon.
Anyways i hope your wrigglers turn free swiming soon, maybe theres more left than you think.
If the water conditions are right, and they are sexually mature... they will spawn. Mine have spawned on the glass, filters, rocks, pots, and leaves... so they will find somewhere to do it. Now being sexually mature does not necessarily make them mature to raise the eggs. Often the first few times they eat their own eggs. Don't stress about it... it's taken me over 6 months with this pair to get this far. (Granted the previous 5.5 months were in a community tank!)
Congrats surrogate daddy! Glad you didn't suck completely ;)
Heehee... I can get angel eggs out an angel... by to turn the angel eggs into an angel is what takes time!
Gert Combrink
16-03-2010, 13:57
Zoom, I hate to say this: " I told you so!" ...Just had to get that in, could't resist!
A lot of time, a "dirty" spot on the bottom or elsewhere, are in fact a clump of wrigglers.
Now, you should have started the brine shrimps all-ready!
Good luck!
Gert.
Zoom, I hate to say this: " I told you so!" ...Just had to get that in, could't resist!
Yeah, I was expecting that. Shot Gertjc
Gert Combrink
16-03-2010, 16:17
Good Angel-parents will always move and hide the wrigglers!
Sometimes you will only see the eggs, and after a few days, the free swimming fry.
They will then also pick them up and try to keep them together, but as the yolk-sacks are absorbed, the fry become hungry and more daring -that is when the parents are at their most defensive! This is the time to start feeding baby brine shrimps! don't be startled if they attack your hand close to the water surface!
Ai! the joy's of fishkeeping!
There are about 5 of them that are now free swimming. The rest still attached to the leaf. So cute to watch the parents fetching them as they swim away... heehee.
Yep... that it is. I would LOVE to take a picture and show you guys... but they really are too tiny for my camera to focus. I've tried for the past 30 minutes.
Hey Zoom how's about an update on how the babies are doing and some pic's if you can manage
I've been "spring cleaning" the flat today. And I've been meaning to post an update today... only managed to get free time now.
Ok, so the update goes as follows...
The luttuce leaves thing was a disaster. When I added it to the tank (1 drop per minute) my tank turned green in one day. So I am feeding on tetra fry flakes and liquifry. I popped out to Dolphin this morning, and have managed to get the decapsed Brine shrimp, which I will start tonight.
I have about 8 fry left in the tank. So not a lot... but at least I've got survivors. They are still very small, not growing fast, but that's because I'm not feeding Brine Shrimp. I'm hoping the growth will speed up now with the new food I got from Dolphin.
Now this is a question I need answering... My angels have SPAWNED AGAIN!!!
YES... they got jiggy this morning, and have laid, in my estimate, 200+ eggs. Is this NORMAL?? I honestly thought that raising a batch of fry would prefent them from spawning again?
I will post pictures tomorrow morning. Unfortunately my camera is flat, and I am busy charging it.
The luttuce leaves thing was a disaster
Infusoria made this way can be a bit messy and I am not so sure about adding it at 1 drop a minute. Guesse its like feeding a baby all they long with a spoon every minute. That napy would also turn green in a day :-) (But thats my deduction.)
A ( Raap ) makes a much better and cleaner infusoria batch. Could also try potatoe.
Man I cant think of the english for a RAAP. Anyway google that and see what you find.
How would you use a potato?
Do not want to hijack this thread so will post in new one.
Do not want to hijack this thread so will post in new one.
Thank you Vis!
As promised, here are 2 pictures of the angel fry.
The eggs that were laid over the weekend god eaten up. I think the parents stressed when I cleaned the tank... and ate up!
http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/picture.php?albumid=106&pictureid=598
http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/picture.php?albumid=106&pictureid=597
Nice and congrats again on the fry. They can only get better forward ...
^^, too cute
Congrats Zoom.
At the moment my wife and I are house-sitting my parents house for them while that are on a weeks holiday to the drakensberg. I am going home once a day to feed the community tank and the fry.
Not seeing the fry often makes you realise the size of them as they are growing, and I can gladly confirm that the decapsulated Brine Shrimp I bought from Dolphin is DEFINATELY worth their weight in gold.
Having a look at the pictures posted 3 days ago, compared to how big they were yesterday afternoon, I can easily say that they have almost doubled in size.
There is one fry that seems to be about twice the size of the others, and has even started to shape up nicely, and starting to look like a little (tiny) angel.
The fry have been fed on Liquifry (for egg layers) and decapsulated brine shrimp.
I don't have any pictures to post right now. Not having a proper macro lense makes it very difficult to get these fish on film. It is also very difficult to compare growth on camera, because you need to get pictures from the same distance all the time, making it almost near impossible. I will update pictures as soon as I have the tme at home to take decent pics.
Anyone looking for good fry food without the hassles of starting a Brine Shrimp hatchery... contact Dolphin. The stuff is definately working!
I got some quick pics when I was home feeding the fishies this avie... and yes... my adult pair HAS spawned again!!
Can someone confirm if this is normal?
Nothing unusual about that - people often don't believe me when I tell them how often my angels spawn :)
It looks like it's going really well now - congrats!
Thanks Vee.
Yes, seems to be going very well. I've actually added some Blackwater product to the tank... Never thought I'd say this, but the tank looks a lot more nicer with it in.
I believe it is also good for the fry? (true/not ture?)
Some tanks do look more 'natural' with the blackwater products added. I'm not sure which brand you are using but it certainly shouldn't harm the fry as the water conditions should be closer to their natural environment. I've only added some of the MicrobeLift Amazon Black & Softwater Conditioner to most of my angelfish, rams and apistogramma tanks - the fish seem far more 'at home' now, so I can vouch for that brand :)
Geez those fry are soooo cute, love the pics.
Congrats on your new spawn, if this carrys on soon you will be swiming in angels [lucky you]
Hmmm... I don't want that. I'll rather support the TASA members with fish!
I've spent 10 days housesitting my parents house, as well as 2 days away in Vryheid at my grandfather's funeral.
I'm fortunate enough to stay 10 minutes away from my folks, so I was able to come home once a day to feed the babies. During the period I was away, my angels spawned again... and in their agro "protect eggs, protect eggs" it would appear they ate their first spawn. stupid idiots.
The second spawn also got eaten.
SO I'm back to square one!
Shame i'm so sorry to hear of your loss. Please accept my condolenses.
As to your angels, what a pity its very sad to loose fish even if they are babies.
Maybe next time you should remove the babies when the parents spawn again.
I hope that your angels don't waste any time and spawn again soon.
They are already showing signs of spawning soon. I reckon by the end of the week.
I have put in a little too much of the blackwater stuff (that makes the tank look a lot darker and more amazonish)... so they are swimming around very "blind".. but seem a lot more relaxed.
Hey Zoom any updates on the angels spawning.
Hey Zoom!!!!
Hope the angels spawn again soon!!! I was told that you can't keep the parents in with the babies to long, they must be seperated at some time, otherwise, they will keep on eating the fry... Better to move the fry to a growout tank as soon as you can and then the parents will start spawning soon after that AGAIN!!!! And thats how the cycle goes.... :bigsmile:
Good luck Zoom, remember with every spawning they are becoming more experienced so you might have some great (and successful) baby-boomers soon. See if your better half will be okay with a grow-out tank soon though, just mention the babies' plight and you should have success!
Better to move the fry to a growout tank as soon as you can and then the parents will start spawning soon after that AGAIN!!!! And thats how the cycle goes.... :bigsmile:
You don't want to move the babies as soon as you can. Move the babies only once they take up the whole of the existing tank - in other words, when you look at the tank and there are babies everywhere instead of just in a small area of the tank, then move them. The parents also need time to recover before spawning again or else they become exhausted which will then lower their immune system :blink1::bigsmile:
Well the update is I have eggs again. Laid on Friday afternoon I suspect. Did a minor water change this afternoon.
I'm not too phased about them being eaten.
Parents actually seem to be getting better as well... out of about 200+ eggs, there are only 6 or 7 white eggs, so they are either getting the spawning process right, or they are cleaning them more thoroughly.
Not going to invest in any more tanks at this stage. Our flat is getting a bit small now, and electricity increases are going to hurt the pocket with more tanks running.
I had a guppy give birth in a breeding net in the community tank last week. About 30 fry swimming around in the net... No fatalities yet. Have NO clue what to do with 30 guppies when they grow up. I'm not even a huge fan of them! Heehee. Oh well. I'll let them grow up and then release them into the tank. I think thereafter the survival of the fittest will be the next philosophy to follow. (Althou with 5 female betta's who are constantly "hunting" the fry through the net, I doubt I'll have any survival of any fittest!)
I had a guppy give birth in a breeding net in the community tank last week. About 30 fry swimming around in the net... No fatalities yet. Have NO clue what to do with 30 guppies when they grow up. I'm not even a huge fan of them! Heehee. Oh well. I'll let them grow up and then release them into the tank. I think thereafter the survival of the fittest will be the next philosophy to follow. (Althou with 5 female betta's who are constantly "hunting" the fry through the net, I doubt I'll have any survival of any fittest!)
Hmmm, if you are not a big fan of guppies then why do you have them...you could give them to one of the guys on TASA to feed their big fish, like oscars and the likes...its still survival of the fittest, lol...
Heehee... I've never had a guppy survive longer than 2 months with me. (besides the very first one that survived almost a year). About 2 months ago I bought 8 to give it another try. It's kinda cool having fry survive... like a success story.
I've got one female and one male left over from the original 8... and now my wife will KILL me if I give them away as live food!
Keep them as food for the angels?? That way you not giving them away :blink1:
I have swords, platties and guppies in my comunity tank and when they have fry it's food for the discus, andgels and gourami's :blink1:
This morning I witnessed a pretty amazing event in my breeding tank. The parents for the past few days have been looking after the wrigglers, chasing me away from the tank, and fetching lonely wrigglers that fall off the leaf, or become free swimming too early.
This morning I turned lights on, and everything looks normal... Wrigglers all moving rapidly on the leaf, parents protecting... we notice one wriggler become free swimming, parents fetch it, put it back. Another free swimming... another, and then another... and within 5 minutes of us turning the lights on, we watched every single wriggler become free swimming.
Needless to say the parents are going bonkers trying to put them all back on the leaf!
Was pretty amazing to watch. I'm assuming the light being turned on must have stimulated them.
Chat lada
Z
Sounds like a really cool thing to witness :)
Gert Combrink
24-04-2010, 14:50
Time to start feeding them with brine shrimps!
Time to start feeding them with brine shrimps!
+1. Congrats Zoom - it is stunning to witness :p
Um... are the free swimmers all suppose to go back to the leaf at night when the lights go out... they all seem to be back at the wriggler stage....?
Wow what a sight, must have been so cool to witness that. How many do you think there are, and what are your plans to stop the parents eating them when they spawn again.
Sorry for all the questunes but i'm learning so much and seeing as my angels are at it again........i need to learn as much as possible.
Well, this might sound a bit cruel... but IF they spawn again whilst raising their current fry, I will remove the eggs.
When the fry are about the size of a 20c piece, I will move the parents to another tank. (Probably back to the community tank). Not sure how big the angel fry need to be before I can give them away... any idea?? VEE???
No i don't think it's cruel, thats what i would do 'cos leaving them to eat the babies is cruel.
I think that i read somewhere that angels are ready to go when they are about three months old. Hope that helps.
Gert Combrink
25-04-2010, 14:03
R1 coin - baby angels (body size-Without fins!)
R2 coin - small angels
R5 coin - small/med angels
Once the angels eat flakes and granules well, it is time to move them out to friends/shops.
I leave the fry with the pair to about the size of a R1 coin, and then move them to a grow-out tank. This also give the pair a rest, and can be fed well to condition them.
The babies also learn to feed on new food from the adults.
Hope this helps
Gert.
Gert has it covered Zoom :) Thanks Gert!
forgive me if I am wrong, I thought the fry feeds off a mucus secreted by the parents, this would be on their scales. Has anyone successfully hatced eggs, raised fry with out the parents around? They eat the fry also when they cant handle the number of fry or they are still too young.
Angels don't feed like this. You are correct in thinking so. I beleive the discus feed like this. The parents with time will learn to protect there young, and I beleive that through their failures they will eventually get it right. I don't really want to take the parents out the tank, as I don't see the need.
If they eat them, then they eat them... if they don't, I'll have free angels for TASA.
Gert Combrink
26-04-2010, 14:06
Yes, it has been reported that some angel fry do feed of the parents like discus.
This is reported on some international angel forums and is not common.
I have read that apparently some Leopoldi angels have this behaviour.
This trait is found predominantly with discus, but other cichlids show this tendancy to a much lesser degree.
Maybe Prof Dirk could enlighten us more?
Gert.
cool, thank you I always thought it to be std
send us a pic of the little ones :blink1: when you have time
that is really nice!!! have you tried to take a photo and count them??
I thought of doing that... the problem is that in the photo, the fry are blurry blobs, and they replect off the side glass and the bottom glass, so you don't know what is real, and what is the replection. But I would estimate 75+
Hi All.
This is final notice on this set up.
The breeding pair was donated to Slojo as he has a better set up for them (I do not have a suitable size tank for the spawn to be raised). You will see on Slojo's thread here (http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/showthread.php?t=3487) that within 4 hours of being in his tank they had already cleaned a leaf, and spawned already!!
I currently have 5 fry left in the tank, and holding thumbs that at least 3 of them will make it to maturity. Unfortunately I have realised that without the proper set up, and more importantly, the proper food, the success rate is VERY minimal.
Slojo, I wish you many happy spawns with them... and should I ever wish to have angels frequenting my community tank again... remember I'm coming your way bud!!
No problem and thanx again.
It's amazing to look at the photo above... where there was in excess of 80 fry.. and only 5 remain in the tank.
The five are still growing well. They have been very still in the tank since Slojo took the mommy and daddy. This afternoon whilst doing my waterchange on the big tank, I threw in the 20 guppy fry that were sitting in my breeding net in with the angels... and suddenly they came to life, swimming around with the guppies, and feeding off all the algae in the tank.
So I think I might have luck this time and manage to keep the few fry left from my original 2.
Wondering how the mommy and daddy are doing... (Slojo???)
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.10 Copyright © 2012 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.