Would like to get some more

[guido.coza]

Hi all
bought about 6 month ago either in Tokai or Parow this Hypancistrus sp I think it is a L333, but not sure if somebody knows better pls lemmy know.
I would like to get a small group together and looking for at least another 3 animals.
who can help

[guido.coza]

hi to you ALL
Thanks for all the reply and help, my mailbox is swamped:mad:
What is wrong with you people, does one need anemies if one has friends like you:wondering:
PLEEEEEEEEASE need some help here
Oh after going to L-welse yesterday they seem to more likely L290

[veegal]

Geez guido give the people a break - most of the members here only go on during the week ...... LoL :)

I also saw them at quite a few places a few months ago, but nothing since then which is probably why no-one has answered as well, as they aren't in the shops at the moment.......I'll keep a look out though and let you know should I see any :D

[Zafgak]

Guido - Sarcasm generally does not help, especially if you are a newbie - Have you heard of forum etiquette ?????

[corylyle1]

Jeepers guido...who do you think you are!! You come on this site, shout at everyone and demand answers straight away to your question!!! The reason why you have no replies is because no-one has seen them around lately!!

Chill out!!

[Ferryman]

As i said in Gareths topic first time you mentioned those fish, ive never seen them in shops.

[guido.coza]

Hi all
Sorry but garantied didn't mean it pushy. One of the many things i don't posess is a lot of patience.
I appologize and hope that i'll get soon a more positive reply.
Have all a great day

[Zoom]

At least he didn't be the NEWBIE who logged in and started asking for free-bies in his welcome thread... heehee.

[Zafgak]

Hey Guido - that is gonna be a hard one to find.. Most of the LFS don't know an L number from an Elbow :)
I haven't seen that one for months and months - will keep a lookout...

[veegal]

At least he didn't be the NEWBIE who logged in and started asking for free-bies in his welcome thread... heehee.

Mmwahahahahaha - true.

[Ferryman]

(i think i at least waited till my 30th or 60th post to start bedel-ing:D so i hope it aint me you refer to:smile:)

(:hmmmm: maybe i should start opening threads asking for more freebies now...lol)

[guido.coza]

hey
are you having a laugh on my expence???? )-:

OK (-:

[Ferryman]

Im not, dun worry

[SalmonAfrica]

Hey there

I'm no plec expert, but I'm between L270, L333, and L340, and then perhaps L173 - those seem to be the closest.

[guido.coza]

Hi Salmon
You are right it was as most likely L333 identified at the Lwelse.com site. My problem is now that they say it is nearly impossible to get the same fish again, if I don't know catching area/origin. They seem very much puretists and say no breeding whats so ever.

[SalmonAfrica]

That's the problem here in SA, there are very few places that often get the different plecos in, and then those that might occasionally get them in, don't know quite what they are.

Good luck finding more, I know it'll be a challenge. You might have some luck here on the forums - some of the guys on here stock some of the nicer L-numbers, maybe you could talk to them.

[Ferryman]

I'm not into plecs but i've seen you people mention L numbers a few times. What do the L numbers represent?

[Zoom]

I'm not into plecs but i've seen you people mention L numbers a few times. What do the L numbers represent?

It means that the mathamatician managed to name the fish before the latin dude did! I wish the Englishman would wake up and start naming some fish... how on earth are we suppose to remember all this latin and maths in this hobby?

I mean... all I want to do is keep some fish... not learn a new languange. If the fish spoke Latin, then I would at least try.

[veegal]

Ferryman - to put it very basically, there are SOOOOO many different species of pleco's that are very similar so they just gave them all L numbers. The easiest way to be certain what pleco you have is to get it's L number. Put very basically in a nutshell :)

[SalmonAfrica]

I'm not into plecs but i've seen you people mention L numbers a few times. What do the L numbers represent?

Pretty much what Veegal said. At one stage, the plecs were becoming hugely popular in the hobby for the first time, and imports of new species happened so regularly that shops didn't know what they were selling - many of the species that were shipped in hadn't even been classified yet.

So some people got together and invented the L-number system, which gives plecs names without having to go through classifying them or worrying about taxonomy.

There is a similar system for for Corydoras, I think called the C-number system??? I dunno...

[guido.coza]

I'm not into plecs but i've seen you people mention L numbers a few times. What do the L numbers represent?
The L numbers originate from a german Magazine DATZ (Deutsche Aquarien und Terrarien Zeitung and a big importer Transfish in Germany, to easier identify Plecs also according to there origione. There is also L D A system also from a german Magazine but this magazine as stopped to excist.
The L no is a good tool, you can Identify not only species but also geographical races and fish from diff localaties and that as Collector in South America Exporteur Importeur and hobbyist.
And yes there is a c no system to.
Just as a bit of useless info:bigsmile:

[Khalid]

Guido - how much did you pay for the hyps ?
Are the fish local or imported?
as I am also intersted in getting a few.

[guido.coza]

Guido - how much did you pay for the hyps ?
Are the fish local or imported?
as I am also intersted in getting a few.
Hi Khalidmanack
I prsume they are imports but thats why i want some more to try and change that:blink1:
The price I can't remember but i think it was between 150 -200
To all the dealers here on the site there is your golden opportunity :idea:
But serious, pls if some L numbers are on the import lists why not post them here and it might be worth while to get a few.

[Sean J]

They look very similar to Clown Plecos. P. Vittata or P. Maccus... Probably not the same, but very similar...

[guido.coza]

They look very similar to Clown Plecos. P. Vittata or P. Maccus... Probably not the same, but very similar...

Hi Slagter
According to Seidel and some dudes on the L Welse site it is L333 or L270 both not yet scientificly named ??????:dontknow:

[Ferryman]

wasnt there something said a while back about the plec family being on the import blacklist? Maybe thats why theyre scarce

[Dirk]

Hi Guido,

I have subscribed to the DATZ since 1990 and I also have the book on the L numbers. I also keep a number of L numbers loricariads.

I have had a look at L333 and I do not think this is L333. If I look at what is shown as L270 then your fish are a good match, so at this stage I would think that you are looking at L270. In my book this is called a Hypancistrus species and its locality is given as the Rio Curua Una, in Para Province, Brazil. Unfortunately I cannot give you a GPS reading......

Kind regards,

Dirk

[Zafgak]

Sorry guys cannot find GPS coordinate for any L-270 finds for Dirk, but here is GPS for the river :

Rio Curuá Una in the state of Para
Latitude:
-2.4
Longitude:
-54.08333
Latitude (DMS):
2° 23' 60 S
Longitude (DMS):
54° 4' 60 W

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

However I did find this interesting article on identifying L numbers. The following section refers to L-270

Credit to : PlecoFanatics websiteURL = http://www.plecofanatics.com/articles/showentry.php?e=323

See photos referred to on website

Hypancistrus furunculus, previously L-199
A previously highly sought after fish which, with recent importation prohibitions on Brazilian loricariidae, has been seeing wider distribution as of late. It is very similar to L-270 and debiliterra, however, it tends to grow somewhat bulkier than the either species. When young, it has an enormous eye radius which makes it easily separable from similar animals. As it grows larger, it still maintains a rather large eye size compared to l-270, and has very posteriorly placed eyes, which distinguish it from debiliterra. It also bears thicker vermiculations on its flanks.
H. furunculus-eye placement is especially notable in this picture.

Hypancistrus debiliterra, previously L-129
Together with h. furunculus and L-270, this fish makes a up a group of similar looking animals that one might easily mistaken for one another. Most strikingly similar are debiliterra and L-270. A rather yellowish-hued fish, the former is a medium sized hypancistrus with a generic body structure. It has a larger head and stouter body compared to the king tiger hypancistrus, but otherwise very similar body proportions to L-270. 270 often has thicker lines in it's body patterning, but morphologically, the main differences between the two are eye size and location (the larger eyes of debiliterra are found facing somewhat more anteriorly on the face), and the length of the caudal fin (more classically elongated in debiliterra).
Hypancistrus debiliterra.

L-270
As stated above, this fish is commonly mistaken (provided no catching locality is given) with h. debiliterra. The main points of body structure are shared by the two (somewhat large head, compact features), although, it's eyes are placed very highly on the top of the fish's head. Also, the caudal peduncle region has a bit more girth in L-270 than the reasonably slender tail of h. debiliterra. An confusing point of interest is that the fish designated with the Das Aquarium label "LDA-76", while listed as a synonym of L-270, may be, in fact, to be a different fish. It bears a similar color scheme, although often bearing a more complex and more frequent vermiculate pattern, but tends to grow larger and has a huge head with its eyes positioned even deeper along the back end and higher than those of L-270. However, they are very morphologically similar, and by an ametuerish standpoint, are not different enough to constitute speciation.

[guido.coza]

Sorry guys cannot find GPS coordinate for any L-270 finds for Dirk, but here is GPS for the river :



L-270
As stated above, this fish is commonly mistaken (provided no catching locality is given) with h. debiliterra. The main points of body structure are shared by the two (somewhat large head, compact features), although, it's eyes are placed very highly on the top of the fish's head. Also, the caudal peduncle region has a bit more girth in L-270 than the reasonably slender tail of h. debiliterra. An confusing point of interest is that the fish designated with the Das Aquarium label "LDA-76", while listed as a synonym of L-270, may be, in fact, to be a different fish. It bears a similar color scheme, although often bearing a more complex and more frequent vermiculate pattern, but tends to grow larger and has a huge head with its eyes positioned even deeper along the back end and higher than those of L-270. However, they are very morphologically similar, and by an ametuerish standpoint, are not different enough to constitute speciation.

Hello Zafgak

You are a star thank you very much:bigsmile:
Can you maybe also locate some fish for me:wondering::bigsmile::wondering::bigsmile::wondering::bigsmile:
I have now something to go by and ask my dealers to order some if they show up on the lists again.
Thanks again
Hello Prof.
The fish L270 was in DATZ 11/98

[Zafgak]

Hi Guido - The L270 is not on any of the fish lists I receive from South America - I have seen it on one list from Germany as a tank bred fish.. And that was only once.

They seem to be very scarce in the trade..

I have a regular list that has the following L numbers ( all wild caught ) L127, L128, L182, LDA72, L187a, L187b, L200, L201, L104, L190, L191, L330, L147 .
If you are interested and cash flush :) pm me

[Ferryman]

lol, cool, i found it, or something like it on wikipedia


L270 L307, LDA76 Hypancistrus sp. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypancistrus) Chocolate zebra pleco, Tapajos zebra pleco

[aperlman]

this may help?7746