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So, my first aquarium was given to me by my uncle when i was in school, it was a small 61x30x30, and it had DIY glass sliders built in that worked great, and holes drilled in the glass to allow for air tube and heater wire everything... sadly when i was in Uni, that tank got destroyed by an imbecile whom i asked to help me move it into its stand... he proceeded to help me by putting his flat hand in the middle of the glass side pane and push, which resulted in the tank cracking, and i had to speed clean my dad's old 61x30x30 and transfer the fish asap.
those fish for some reason died off within a week or so (probably due to ammonia poisoning etc, as back then i was unaware of the cycleing process...) anyways. my tank got dissassembled to use the panes for "greenhouse purposes" with my bonsai.
My dads tank got cleaned out, dried off, and put away...
Come four years later i had forgotten all about having ever owned a fishtank, a friend gave me a new tank, a 180liter 3ft, which he got from a guy in durban years before at an sareefkeeping club meeting... said tank was wasting away in the member's yard, covered in cement and paint etc, it was a half built sump that never got finished...
My friend Falko took that tank home, cleaned it, and used it Once to keep his marines in during a tank transfer, then it got cleaned out and stored outside in the yard as per history... That tank is now My 3ft display tank seen here -> http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/showthread.php?t=1296
But, when setting up that tank, i took out and cleaned once more, my dad's old, beat up and semi scraped, multi coloured silicone sealed tank to hide away under the 3ft cabinet as a breeding/quarantine tank...
I then decided its a waste, dried it out and cleaned it... then put it on a counter where it waited to become a small planted betta tank... Now, its been setup once more, to be the new home for Slayer's guppies, while my 3ft takes care of my newly to be acquired pinkish danios...
So, here i will post up the progress on my new, old, reused, and handed down small 50-60 liter tank...
Let the MTS commence....
Left to dry
Give and take...
Its currently got the AquaClear Mini on it, as it was handed down to me with my original tank.
Circulation provided by a small Chosen 300l/h pump donated to me in highschool by the same friend who gave me the 3ft...
Drivtwood was taken from the 3ft as it was crowded after the rescape idea...
there's a big piece of drifting wood that wount sink in there donated by my lil brothers old babysitter tannie, originally intended to be a roots on wood feature for one of my Natal wild ficus bonsai...
Heating yet to be bought tomorrow, will be a chinese make 75watt thingy. during the day my room temp is 25+ degrees, at present the unheated tank is about 23-24 degrees and its 00:14 so it'll be okay for the fish that are arriving tomorrow, yes, tomorrow... guppies...:D
Nitrivec was also added to help the filter and the transfered water from the 3ft to seed the substrate, which is the rest of the silica sand i bought for the 3ft...
the filter was directly transfered from the 3ft which now runs solely on a cascade 200, and circulated by 2 600l/h powerheads.
When i have the money, i'll buy a filter esp for this tank, and return the aquaclear to the 3ft...
looking good so far! keep us posted
Looking good there buddy MTS has got you now... welcome to the Dark side.....lol
hehe, i like it, the midichlorians shall bow before my uh.. seachem Safe, mwahahaha...
Er.. anyway, snapping out of the darkside nerdville act:D
Today i recieved a package from f-fish containing loads of goodies, including some guppies and smallish fry, some apple snails (golden shell, white body + golden shell black body), some stow away snails in the plants, lots of different cuttings, ambulia, vallis (nice type, slender leaf and new growth looks rdish?) amazon sword cuttings, stuff with no names i know cuttings etc, AND my dad drove all the way to the other side of the galaxy, (johannesburg south i think) and picked up the occupants of Slayer's 2ft'er, fulla guppies, and some nice little pink zeb-danios (fast little buggers, cant snap a good pic)
So, naturally i started a planting frenzy and jam packed what i could into my main tank, complementing what i already had and makin it even more interesting to gaze at, and then i added the fish,
I decided to add all Slayer's fishies to my new/old tank, now scaped and looking way better than i had ever had it. they are eager lively little fellows, and have some really nice colours and patterns coming through. excuse the pic quality, my cam struggles to take fast pics, i dunno how to manuvre it yet, will try again when i find our HP once more. these guys are movin all over the place, easiest to take a pic of, are the snails, lol...
As i mentioned, the filter was running in the main tank, and directly transfered to the small tank, the water was completely siphoned from the main tank till full, only think new was the glass panes holding the water, and the substrate.
For safety i added nitrivec to the system, some course salt, and seachem safe to help neutralise any buildups, while the substrate seeds aswell. hoping this tank is gonna be a success. it looks awesome already, me an my bro have already spend quite some time ogling the newbie now. so, without further delay, some pics...
All thanks go to SLAYER and F-FISH for fish and plants, you guys are awesome and really helped me get more into the hobby at this stage when my pockets are empty, true hobbyists you guys are!
Really looks good man I think I might get some of those pink danios for my 1.9m tank that I am busy with they look cool
Well done I hope one day when your plans are growing nicely you will share with me.....lol :bigsmile:
Tanks look Awesome :congrats: :top:
Tank looks great. What substrate you using?
You are doing all the hard work ... looks real good.
Very nice dude! They tanks are looking great!!
Thanks guys, Gareth, you are more than welcome to have some of the plants once they settle and grow. I'm hoping they'll all turn out successfully. Will get better light on my main tank when i get the wood for the canopy, almost done with the master bedroom painting, then my parents will do their living room where the wood curtain box is, which i'll be cutting up.. for this little tank, i dunno if i can fit anything better, its currently got one osram cool white in it, 2ft, stuck in the hood diagonally to fit in, i left the smaller little grolux in where its mounted, but don't have a ballast to run it... so if plants don't grow well in there, i'll move some more to the 3ft... and yes. i am contemplating another 3ft or something for next year when i have some money, then i can spread the plants more, get more success...:D
Its gonna be chaos, just like my bonsai hobby
@gareth, about that pm on bonsai, check the off topic forum, i posted there
@ brentnorm, i'm using normal poolfilter silica, but i mixed in some gravel pebbles (the orange pebbles you see, for a different effect than just the balnd white silica (which works nice in a big tank, but looked boring in this small one.)
I will probably top off some more silica, (vigourously washed) once my dad breaks open the other 80kgs of sand to fill the pool filter with, the substrate is about 3cm thick but i'd like an inch or so more...
I might transfer some of the pennywort to my dad's koi pond to grow, or maybe just to the 3ft...
Hope all you plans grow your tanks are really looking good now
just playing around with my phone's settings, i found panorama and sequential shot
Nice set ups dude.
Plants look good and healthy too mate
Thats thanks to f-fish's mad plant growing skills:)
I'm hoping to maintain and grow from here
Sooo, i found this tiny little creature spontaneously appeared today (after i took it out of the shed, cleaned and dried it, and put it there...)
Anyone know what i might use it for, any ideas?
A snail tank?
No wait... hatching brine shrimp!
Good size for a awesome looking Siamese fighter........
u don't think a bit small?
Is it a bit small for a quarantine tank ?
What filtration would you add, a corner filter with an air pump?
Turn it into a small hydroponics container
Turn it into a small hydroponics container
I like that idea
okaaay?? what does that mean in layman terms?
would that be the use of the hydroton you gave me? haw would i use it?
@zoom, you were probably joking about the snail tank, but i've been ogling around on http://www.applesnail.net and found that applesnails are quite flippen interesting.
fish gave me a baggie full, and i was wondering if maybe i should put some of them in there as an interesting topical tank, like "hey, have you seen my snail tank?" lol... i saw that siphon to the lung probe around yesterday and thought one snail had a worm in it... lol, just now found out its part of the breathing aparatus. these apple snails are awesome little creatures, i want them to breed a few more :D
" i want them to breed a few more" oh they do breed maybe to easy ... I think having apple snails in a tank raising fry is also beneficial - can not remember why.
Have a look at this plant grower as an idea ...
oh they do breed maybe to easy ... I think having apple snails in a tank raising fry is also beneficial - can not remember why.
So you've actually seen the orange or green or whatever colour eggs? (btw, what colour were the eggs? I hope between those you gave me, it turns out to have some males and females, and they breed, it would be very cool to see the little ones eventually:) i know your rams horn snaols (the stowaways breed alot, i found Lots of little snails in the plants yesterday, lol, the inhabit the tiny tank far as i know only applesnails in the main tank
Have a look at this plant grower as an idea ...
what did you use to grow with there, those containers strawberries come in? And the little cups the hydroton is in you get at LFS?
looks interesting, did you just wet the balls and left them in the container with cuttings? or is there a watertight bottom with water in (like you grow african violets)?
i think maybe i'll add a sponge filter and use it as a fry tank... how big a heater would i need in there? a guess its maybe 10 or 20 liters, maybe
room temp without a heater i saw the tinytank stay at around 21-22 degrees now that spring has arrived
I can guarantee you have male and female snails I heard some were they can change sex.... and as for the egg colour all my snails eggs were a white colour before they hatched but be careful before you know it you will have a snail problem
nope, i read the apple snails are er, what they are... lol, cant remember the term now. you either got the bits or you dont kinda situation
reason i asked about the egg colour, is for species identification, or at least help in ID'ing them see here (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species_genera.htm)
i'll take a look at their shell structure for more clues like shown in the pic on that link
some interesting reading on there
Mating snails (Pomacea bridgesii (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species/pomacea_bridgesi.htm)).
There are a few things to be considered to successfully breed apple snails:
- Since apple snails are gonochoristic (separated sexes), a male (http://www.applesnail.net/content/anatomy/reproduction.php) and a female (http://www.applesnail.net/content/anatomy/reproduction.php) snail are needed(obvious).
- Apple snails reproduce (http://www.applesnail.net/content/ecology.php#mate) when the temperature rises in combination with abundance of food available.
- For those species (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species_genera.htm) that lay their eggs (http://www.applesnail.net/content/ecology.php#depositing) above the water, one should provide enough air space (+15cm/6 inch).
- Some species might need an aestivation period in the mud before they breed successfully (does not apply to the most common species).
It is also important to mention that female apple snails can store sperm for months, so even the eggs of a single snail can be fertile. With no male snail present, female apple snails occasionally produce infertile eggs. Obviously, these do no hatch. Last but not least: most species lay their eggs above the water and they should stay there while the eggs of aquatic layers should stay below the surface
Species that lay eggs above the waterline (genera: Pomacea (http://www.applesnail.net/content/pomacea.htm), Asolene (http://www.applesnail.net/content/asolene.htm) (Pomella) (http://www.applesnail.net/content/asolene.htm) and Pila (http://www.applesnail.net/content/pila.htm)): After the eggs are deposited, they are soft and have a rather milky, pink colour. After a few hours, they harden and get their definitive colour (from pale pink to raspberry-red or even greenish depending of the species (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species_genera.htm)). It might happen that the eggs at the surface dry out, on which they get a lighter colour.
The size of the eggs varies from 2.2 to 3.5 mm / 0.01 to 0.14 inch each (in case of Pomacea canaliculata (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species/pomacea_canaliculata.htm)), whereas Pomacea paludosa (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species/pomacea_paludosa.htm) and Pila globosa (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species/pila_globosa.htm) for example lay eggs with a diameter of 4 to 7 mm / 0.16 to 0.28 inch. The eggs at the surface probably won't deliver you many little snails when the air humidity is not optimal, but often the eggs deeper inside the clutch thrive well.
It's no problem to transfer the egg clutch to another location, as long as you are careful not cause too much damage. A damages clutch is more prone to infections and evaporation. The best way to move the eggs is by wetting the clutch, wait a few hours and then carefully move the clutch over the surface until it comes off. Obviously this method is of most successful on glass or other smooth surfaces.
It's important to keep the eggs in a moist, but not wet environment. Never keep these eggs under water (this will drown the embryos (http://www.applesnail.net/content/embryology.php))! Keep the temperature between 18 and 28°C (65-82°F). The higher the temperature, the faster the snails will hatch.
Note!: Not all apple snails from the genus Pomacea lay their eggs above the waterline in a clutch. Pomacea urceus (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species/pomacea_urceus.htm) lays about 50 to 200 orange eggs at the inside of the shell near the aperture. The eggs are brooded in this incubation chamber, closed off with the mother's operculum (shell-door), while the snail aestivates in the dry mud during the dry season. The young snails hatch during this period and crawl around under the female's shell until the rainy season starts. A side effect of this reproduction method is visible as eggscars on the mother's shell at the place where the eggs were attached.
In the picture (http://www.applesnail.net/content/photos/photo_eggs_1.htm) section there are more pictures of apple snail eggs.
Eggs, Pomacea canaliculata (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species/pomacea_canaliculata.htm), 7 days old. Note the reddish colour.
Egg clutch, dried out before the little snails left (Pomacea bridgesii). http://www.applesnail.net/content/photographs/marisa_eggs.jpg
Aquatic eggs in gelatinous mass, Marisa cornuarietis (http://www.applesnail.net/content/species/marisa_cornuarietis.htm), 2 days old. Species that lay their eggs under the waterline (genera: Asolene (http://www.applesnail.net/content/asolene.htm)(Asolene) (http://www.applesnail.net/content/asolene.htm), Felipponea (http://www.applesnail.net/content/felipponea.htm), Lanistes (http://www.applesnail.net/content/lanistes.htm) and Marisa (http://www.applesnail.net/content/marisa.htm)):
The eggs are embedded in a transparent gelatinous mass and are relatively small when they are laid, but take up a lot of water within the first days and swell significantly (from 3 mm to 6 mm). The need for temperatures between 18 and 28°C (65-82°F) applies to these eggs as well. Obviously these eggs should stay below the surface!
Interesting in these snails is that one can follow the development of the little snails inside the eggs (also see the 'embryology (http://www.applesnail.net/content/embryology.php)' section).
Eggs are cream / white had brown sting once but that did not hatch ... they need to stay moist / not submerged. I have convicts - they love snails - so I fish for snails with cucumber or just pick them by hand. I have had no problems with my ramshorns eating live plants ... apple snails seem to be batch / water temp or quality dependant keep an eye on them.
The containers in the pics are 3.5l - nice depth to fill water halfway up the LFS plant cups .. water gets changed when I do tank maintenance. I like to use old fish water for the plants. The whole contraption sits on a windowsill that gets some sun in the afternoon. I've since started using "hobbylife" containers - http://www.demirelplastik.com/m_kuvetler_bi_detay.php?sira=221 - also available at most plastic shops for less than R10 a container. Due to condensation (even had that when we had the cold weather JHB) balls and cuttings are always wet. This gives you quick root growth. But this is all experimental - no wrong way to do things try what ever...
Maybe you want to use the hydroton and batting I included to make a filter with one of those power heads you have add a spray bar ... something like http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/showthread.php?t=1390&highlight=guppy+filter for your 2ft.
Should be fine for a fry tank - but then remove the substrate ...
do i have to completely remove substrate? (the styrofoam was stuck on with black silicone globs, very unceremoniously, and looks rather ugly, what problem does the substrate encourage if kept?
do fry need light (stupid q i know), or will the glow from the nearby tank be enough?
oh, and, will a normal small green net work to catch fry?
(all fry related questions because i noticed Many of fish and slayer's guppy females have a very dark gravid spot, this is somewhat indicative of pregancy right?
+still need to know about a heater in the tank-y?
the tiny tank is now completely devoid of any adults
the only occupants are a few ramshorns, applesnails, and an estimated 15 guppy fry so far, if they survived, its hard to count them all, as they hide alot in the riccia,
also, the octagon has gone from empty, to corner filter filtered, which adds aeration. also, i added a light under the canopy, one cft powersaver type jobby, yesterday i redid the substrate, and added some ambulia, bacopa caroliniana and alternanthera
new guppy fry
and this is where the tanki is at now
not glamourous but i cant do much with fry in it, and can't redo the substrate either, so i wait
oh, and to add, most of its plants content was stolen and given to the main tank... lol, its bloody hard to catch adult guppies in a small tank densely planted...
looking good dude, looks like you gonna be supplying everyone with guppies soon :)
lol, you only need a few, and some time, and you'll have a harem tank going
my fry are growing so quickly, they're at 1cm plus by now, no distinguishing colours yet, saw some more in the main tank today, mounted a rescue mission, but when i lifted the lid, they were gone, dunno if they hide well or just get eaten, oh well, plenty where they come from:D
Okay, an update, since moving the fry to this tank, i have gradually started moving adults to the tank as well, and got a whole bunch of new spawns show up, i have now all but moved ALL of the guppies to this tank. The fry seem to survive the tank with adults and all, so i guess they were being eaten by the other fish in the main tank, or sucked into the circulation powerheads or something... nontheless, the guppy population is on a steady increase..
Of the guppy fry i rescued from the main, it seems 3 or 4 of them were in fact platy fry, getting their orange colouring and black fins now, rather cute in a minime fishy way:)
will posts of the guppy mass tomorrow, as it is already lights out
Yeap - guppies will rule your world .. they tougher fish than what most think. Might be my imagination but they improve the overall feeling of wellness in a tank. Except when they are on the menu ...
lol, yeah, they are cool little fellas, except the 24/7 horny following of females and how they bunch and clump around the tank front pane left right left right spyker left right..., i'm looking to take all the guppies to this tank and find fish that will swim about the whole tank front to back to up and down all abouts etc for the main tank...
lol - must be something in the PTA water or they are following the example of a student ...hmm who do we know ...
lol - must be something in the PTA water or they are following the example of a student ...hmm who do we know ...
No not our water.........................:p
this tank has now been decommissioned.
Waiting on a trip to a pet store so i may claim my 3ft birthday prize at my parents expense, the guppies are now living in a tub on wheels type of container for the moment.
Something odd happened in the tank before decommissioning. the adult guppies were dying off one by one at a near 2day rate, though they were still reproducing like mad. i think the tank neared critical mass and they chem levels weren't stable. dunno why else so many would have died. luckily the dying stopped. and the whole ramshorn population/metropolis was binned as i thing their bioload also added significantly to the tank. so i will be doing a new 3ft tank in the somewhere near future, and the guppies will then be sharing their home with my sailfin mollies and platies. i feel my main tank just has a too hassled and busy look, i dont like the sailfins always busy right in front of the front of the display, so giving them their own little livebearer world to scurry about in will alow me to get a more serene effect in the main tank i hope...
i just decided that this tank is now looking scarily like a liability as the silicone is faded to solid white and the glass doesn't touch oneanother any more... dont want to come home to soggy carpets:)
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